Judges & Commentaors & Black & Latino People USA

[sub101]

I have been watching fights since the late 70's.

Now I want to stick to the current situation of the bigger draw card fights.

Lots of fights are shown on HBO PPV for example.

Now over the years I would have to say that I have seen so many talented boxers and trainers that are Americans that are from a Latino / American or African / American background.

So many of the greats are from that background.

Now I want to know why so many of those experienced people are not given jobs of being judges or commentators.

It is clear from my research that many of these veterans are more than qualified for being a judge and commentator and also that that such a job would help them with there current situation and many times lack of finance.

I know that Steward and Jones and Leonard have got or have jobs commentating.

I just dont understand how Howard Lederman's daughter for example is a boxing judge at big fights? Has she ever trained a boxer? Has she ever boxed? Has she studyed boxing or have qualifications in the field?

Also why are there so many non Latino / African American judges like Jerry Roth etc that are very old and in the late 60 or 70 and have bad eyesight.

I want to know what qualification people like Roth and Giampa bring to the job?

I will post more info with proof.

I just want to gain more knowledge about all this and realise there are many members on here that have lots of knowledge and I look forward to learning more.

[Drunk Punch]

It's a good question. I've noticed the same thing in other sports too.

I wonder how many latino or African American people run the top jobs on sports networks like HBO, Setanta, Sky, Star, ESPN etc?

As for commentary it makes sense to have 'real experts' giving analysis rather than sports journalists/anchormen.

[βetamax]

I wonder how many latino or African American people run the top jobs on sports networks like HBO, Setanta, Sky, Star, ESPN etc?

Not too many and I see that as a problem. It's like that in other sports too, basketball for example. Some people might call basketball a black sport but the ownership, management, etc. is overwhelmingly white. Even average white players get more jobs after their playing days such as commentary, coaching, etc and it's like that to a degree with boxing as well.

[Chairman L-mao]

Not too many and I see that as a problem. It's like that in other sports too, basketball for example. Some people might call basketball a black sport but the ownership, management, etc. is overwhelmingly white. Even average white players get more jobs after their playing days such as commentary, coaching, etc and it's like that to a degree with boxing as well.

I hope you understand that different skills are needed. The NBA for instance has struggled mightily to get the black ex-players who can speak properly into a booth, but time after time the guys fail.

While you need ex-players in the sport, you also need people who are intelligent and articulate. Here as elsewhere black ex-players have been given more than their fair share of opportunitiy. It's just that most of them are not fit for the jobs.

Edit: take Lennox Lewis for example. This guy is incapable of uttering a precise thought, yet he has a job on TV.

[mrpain81]

Boxing has been the sport to give ********** the most opportunities.

Trainers

Eddie Futch
Emanuelle Steward
Ignacio Beristein
Buddy Mcgirt
Miguel Diaz
Don Turner

Promoters

Don King is probably the biggest boxing promoter ever, and he has been around forever now. From 1974 to 2000 you coulden't do much in boxing without the Don. That's like the Commissioner of baseball being a minority or football being a minority for 25 years.

Delahoya seem's to be the heir apparent, thats not bad for a Mexican American son of Immigrants.

Referee's

Richard Steel
Raul Caiz Sr
Raul Caiz Jr
Joe Cortez
Tony Weeks
Robert Byrd
Kenny Bayless
Larry Hazzard

Broadcasters

Ray Leonard
Roy Jones
Lennox Lewis
Emmanuelle Steward
Ferdie Pacheco
Fran Charles
George Foreman


Judges

The commisions and santioning body's ussually choose them, sure there are alot of old guy's, but look at Arthur Mercante who was a Ref tll the age of 81.


1890 - George Dixon wins featherweight boxing title and becomes first black Champion in any sport.

1908 - Jack Johnson became the first Black Heavyweight boxing Champion.

1947 - Jackie Robinson becomes First black MLB player.

1950 - Earl Lloyd is first black NBA player

1952 - Boxer Joe Louis became first African American to play in a PGA santioned event.

[The Hammer]

I would like to see Roy Jones replace Max Kellerman. Jones has a better personality, and offers more insight and more intelligent commentary with less bias.

[βetamax]

The NBA for instance has struggled mightily to get the black ex-players who can speak properly into a booth, but time after time the guys fail.

I find it hard to believe there aren't qualified ex-black players out there. I don't think as much effort is put to get ex-black NBA players as white players. Let's not forget there have been some unqualified ex-NBA players who were white and had no business behind a mic based on their playing career and commentary ability (i.e.Tom Tolbert) when C-level black NBA players are basically never given a chance at all after they're career.

[Chairman L-mao]

I find it hard to believe there aren't qualified ex-black players out there. I don't think as much effort is put to get ex-black NBA players as white players. Let's not forget there have been some unqualified ex-NBA players who were white and had no business behind a mic based on their playing career and commentary ability (i.e.Tom Tolbert) when C-level black NBA players are basically never given a chance at all after they're career.

But you see Tom Tolbert was actually good at being a TV commentator. The fact that he was a second- or third-tier player makes no difference. There aren't many black athletes who can speak as coherently as he can. We get people like Magic Johnson on TV. Magic is a lovely human being, but the man's IQ is about in the ******ed zone, and his tongue gets in the way of his trying to talk. So Tolbert is more deserving of TV jobs than Magic, even though Magic is an atg whereas Tolbert was an average/sub-average player

[sub101]

Answers / Thoughts Please

I would like to see Roy Jones replace Max Kellerman. Jones has a better personality, and offers more insight and more intelligent commentary with less bias.

This is my point.

You are correct and someone like Jones is so much more qualified than Max.

I am also sure that there are so many other ring veterans that are much better and educational to us the viewers than Max could be.



I want to ask this question from these facts.

I watched a HBO fight. Kellerman started some pre fight talk etc. Later the commentary was Lamply, Merchant and Steward and ofcourse Lederman.

My question is, why out of the five does there happen to be 3 ***ish Americans that have never fought 1 round and dominating the coverage?

It's a simple question and your answers would be so much appreciated.

[LondonRingRules]

This is my point.

** Your point is pointless.

Don King has been THE FACE of American boxing for 4 decades and only now in his doddering days having to give way to Arum and Golden Boy. Don't see you whining about King.

You have NBA/NFL multi-millionaires and rapsters who could easily buy their way into boxing and probably a few have by owning contracts, ect. Criminy, Black CEO was in charge of Time Warner until a few years ago. Hopkins and Mosley in top positions at Golden Boy.

You have some major shortcomings and all you can weakly do is project your shortcomings to a fabricated scapegoat.

Few like Kellerman, or Jim Gray for that matter, but they show up and do their jobs so that's the way it is for now because fans don't tune in to watch the announcers, they want to see the fighters. Assuming you're around 3 decades from now, you'll still be whining about ***s and David Duke will still be whining about blacks, so maybe you two can throw a big seperate, but equal birthday party together.