Ring Generalship = ******ed

[BmoreBrawler]

I agree, it should be removed from the judging guidelines. All 4 of the scoring categories could use major revamping IMO.

Ring Generalship:

Totally subjective. If the judge likes come-forward styles, he will put the fighter with less pop in his arsenal at a disadvantage. If he likes lateral movement and backwards punching, he risks bias towards a runner.

Clean, Effective punching:

There are many punches that are effective but not clean.

Effective Aggression:

What if one fighter is aggressive but not effective, while the other has neither?

Defense:

Not conducive to a fight sport. Obviously defense lowers the measure of the clean, effective punching or effective aggression of the other fighter. It should not be a category of its own.

[Chairman L-mao]

Here's another example...

Mayweather Jr. vs. Jesus Chavez round 1:

Punchstats:
Chavez - 6 of 92
Mayweather - 23 of 56

M.

If you want to score a fight you have to throw the punch stats out the window anyway.

What if, for instance, a guy is wearing his opponent down by punching his arms and ribs? Is he doing nothing? According to the punch stats, he is just missing punches, but in reality he is inflicting punishment

[JC Warrior]

I'm on board with the original post; Ring Generalship is pretty much meaningless. for scoring criteria.

[Fox McCloud]

If you want to score a fight you have to throw the punch stats out the window anyway.

What if, for instance, a guy is wearing his opponent down by punching his arms and ribs. Is he doing nothing? According to the punch stats, he is just missing punches, but in reality he is inflicting punishment

By those stats are really just numbers to show how that round went... because I know that punch stats are not always a telling tale of how a round went... but in honesty, that round really wasn't close at all IMO.

Lampley questioned Lederman in a very embarrassing manner because of it, which made me very happy.

"Wait wait Harold, did you score round ONE for CHAVEZ?"
"Absolutely Jim!"
"Okay, that's all I needed to know."

[warp1432]

If you want to score a fight you have to throw the punch stats out the window anyway.

What if, for instance, a guy is wearing his opponent down by punching his arms and ribs? Is he doing nothing? According to the punch stats, he is just missing punches, but in reality he is inflicting punishment

Have you seen the fight though? Lederman giving round 1 to Chavez against Mayweather was horific.

[wmute]

Harold is old school and almost always gives the round to the more aggressive fighter.

That is not being old school, if it was, we would not mention Willie Pep as a p4p ALL TIME GREAT with 200+ victories.

[Mr. Ryan]

When your boxing style is putting your opponent in positions where he can't be effective, that's ring generalship. Running away, that isn't.

The problem is that alot of people don't understand ring generalship.

[MikeBrew328]

Seriously... it honestly does seem like ring generalship is the thing that people point to as a positive when everything else is going wrong for their fighter.

Whitaker-Chavez round 12: Whitaker running away (literally), he got their heads caught in the ropes wasting about 10 seconds, and Bobby Czyz praises him for his beautiful "ring generalship".

I guarantee you, Chavez was kicking Meldrick Taylor's ass for ring generalship for all 12 rounds of their first fight... I mean, ****, Taylor was fighting toe-to-toe, which is supposed to be Chavez's territory. What does that mean though? It means that Chavez was getting his ass kicked at his own game.

When Roy Jones purposely laid on the ropes for counter opportunities as he did when he was a badass, his opponent clearly gets ring generalship points for rolling his opponent on the ropes, but for what? Jones was about to KO him in most cases.

Does anyone think this nebulous term is ****** and actually has no meaning?

Harold Lederman would beg to differ....... Like when he scored Hatton's first round against Mayweather 10-9

[Konstantin]

Ring generalship is when you put yourself in the position to defend and attack well.

[RodBarker]

A fighter who rolls a fighter on the ropes for all 3 minutes of the round is clearly the ring general, but who gives a **** if he doesn't do any damage? Am I right?

What about when he does it when ever he feels like and shuts you down while doing it and then KO s you later in the fight ,,,,, ring generalship is a term to describe controlling the fight whether matador or beast , its a broad term and its subjective to the fight at hand , its not all hell for leather kill the other guy a fight is fought in hills and valleys over 12 rnds , its as much science and skill as it is destroy and destruct .