Cotto/Mosley..What happen? Mosley slower or Cotto quicker?

[Ray*]

I was watching this fight again last night and couldnt figure out if Mosley has slowed down so much or Cotto has somehow picked up a bit of more speed, Cotto looked quicker than usual but i wasnt sure if it had anything to do with Mosley ageing or been slower than usual.

Anybody else's opinion please.....

[Silencers]

I think it was more Mosley losing a few steps, his timing was a little off and his handspeed seemed slower, I don't think Mosley was too surprised at Cotto's speed because I went and watched most of Cotto's fights and he has pretty good handspeed and knows how to throw combinations so I think it's more Mosley being slower than Cotto being faster.

[crillz]

it was neither it's just Mosley couldn't be his usual flurry self against someone who Boxed him, Mosley is known more for his power and speed and even skills but once he went up against someone who knew when to throw the right punches at the right times and was able to neutralize his spurts he failed, he couldn't lure Cotto into fighting him again as was the case in the 1st 6 rounds and if you notice Cotto had a better 2nd half of the fight than the 1st, that was due to his switch up, Mosley came the same way he always came, maybe 10 years ago he was faster but Cotto got the same Sugar Shane anyone else could have gotten that night, there was no better Shane than the one who showed up that night it's just that Cotto proved it doesn't take someone 5'10 or 5'11 to outbox him, it was clear there would be no KO so once Cotto abandoned that frame of thought he sailed, he just proved even a small guy with solid skills can out point Shane..

[Ray*]

it was neither it's just Mosley couldn't be his usual flurry self against someone who Boxed him, Mosley is known more for his power and speed and even skills but once he went up against someone who knew when to throw the right punches at the right times and was able to neutralize his spurts he failed, he couldn't lure Cotto into fighting him again as was the case in the 1st 6 rounds and if you notice Cotto had a better 2nd half of the fight than the 1st, that was due to his switch up, Mosley came the same way he always came, maybe 10 years ago he was faster but Cotto got the same Sugar Shane anyone else could have gotten that night, there was no better Shane than the one who showed up that night it's just that Cotto proved it doesn't take someone 5'10 or 5'11 to outbox him, it was clear there would be no KO so once Cotto abandoned that frame of thought he sailed, he just proved even a small guy with solid skills can out point Shane..

I agree with your points in bits but dont you think Mosley( Who was more experience than cotto) would have reverse his tactics in the second half of the fight when Cotto was getting the upper hand? I thought Mosley's speed wasnt so much there and Cotto was able to get his right hand in at will, Cotto was even able to fight on the back foot in an impressive manner.

[Ray*]

I think it was more Mosley losing a few steps, his timing was a little off and his handspeed seemed slower, I don't think Mosley was too surprised at Cotto's speed because I went and watched most of Cotto's fights and he has pretty good handspeed and knows how to throw combinations so I think it's more Mosley being slower than Cotto being faster.

Thats what i thought also, Cotto was getting in the right hand all night and some of them you can see them coming from far away, Mosley has slow down a bit IMO but against Collazo and Vargas he looks decent...so what happened?

[Silencers]

Thats what i thought also, Cotto was getting in the right hand all night and some of them you can see them coming from far away, Mosley has slow down a bit IMO but against Collazo and Vargas he looks decent...so what happened?

With Vargas the first time, they were almost even on the cards before the fight was stopped, by the time of the second fight, Vargas was badly gone IMO, not sure about Collazo though, he looked very good in that fight. Maybe he got older over those months......

[crillz]

I agree with your points in bits but dont you think Mosley( Who was more experience than cotto) would have reverse his tactics in the second half of the fight when Cotto was getting the upper hand? I thought Mosley's speed wasnt so much there and Cotto was able to get his right hand in at will, Cotto was even able to fight on the back foot in an impressive manner.

true but you have to remember who Mosley really is, you can dig back as far as his Lightweight days and you will see when he ain't bouncing back and fourth he's throwing 1,000,000 punches, he might then just move around probably stick a little jab and what not but for the most part he throws punches in CRAZY bunches, to a point where you say to yourself WTF yo this guy is fast.. but let me ask you this though what happens when all that speed is neutralized? what happens when at the landing of 1 punch his whole momentum dies down? it happened against Forrest then against Winky and still what? now comes Cotto and does the same thing to Shane who was doing the same type of **** he did to Forrest and Winky and suffered the same consequences, I'm sorry but I just can't call that a coincidence especially when he lost to that very same game plan in his career prime to Vernon Forrest..

the blue print was laid down and I think for the most part Cotto probably DIDN'T know about that who jab thing but since that falls into Cotto's game plan as **** he ALREADY does then he was able to successfully apply it to someone who lost 4 times against 2 guys who all did the same ****, held their guards and used their jabs and a few power shots to secure the rounds it was evident, Mosley has trouble with THAT kind of fight.. against De La Hoya Mosley was in against someone who brought the fight to him and allowed himself to be hit back by being so reckless, those exchanges where they would just go blind throwing punches and abandon their guards are prime proof, look at how good Mosley did against him, beat him twice, everyone else just didn't have the style to beat Shane, Cotto does and IMO they could 2 more times and both times Cotto will only look better doing it..

Mosley goes for the flurries and that **** ****s him up, it makes for him to get hit more than he should, this is why when Cotto would land a jab you would noticeable see Shane's head jerk back because when he's coming forward and applying pressure he does it so reckless but his speed helped him a little bit but as Vernon Forrest said after the first fight "the jab neutralizes speed" his speed was halted and his flurries were stopped, against someone who was more his height and size like Cotto he was still able to get the better of a few rounds but nothing to win the fight, Cotto's jab secured the win just like Vernon's and just like Winky's.. what you say about Mosley's speed may be true and yes his right hands were landing at will but Shane wasn't just eating those shots, he was hitting Cotto with shots too that made him reconsider and say **** the KO, once that happened and he started Boxing Shane all Shane could do is press, as much skills as he had was as much that got jerked back by a jab, study his tapes and you'll see it for yourself yo dude just throws lighting fast punches in big bunches like in the Adrian Stone fight but once his speed is neutralized and his combo's don't find home he becomes reckless as shown in the 2nd De La Hoya fight and frustrated.. there is no coincidence that 3 people beat him for a total of 5 losses all with a similar game plan that he just couldn't respond to.

[Ray*]

true but you have to remember who Mosley really is, you can dig back as far as his Lightweight days and you will see when he ain't bouncing back and fourth he's throwing 1,000,000 punches, he might then just move around probably stick a little jab and what not but for the most part he throws punches in CRAZY bunches, to a point where you say to yourself WTF yo this guy is fast.. but let me ask you this though what happens when all that speed is neutralized? what happens when at the landing of 1 punch his whole momentum dies down? it happened against Forrest then against Winky and still what? now comes Cotto and does the same thing to Shane who was doing the same type of **** he did to Forrest and Winky and suffered the same consequences, I'm sorry but I just can't call that a coincidence especially when he lost to that very same game plan in his career prime to Vernon Forrest..

the blue print was laid down and I think for the most part Cotto probably DIDN'T know about that who jab thing but since that falls into Cotto's game plan as **** he ALREADY does then he was able to successfully apply it to someone who lost 4 times against 2 guys who all did the same ****, held their guards and used their jabs and a few power shots to secure the rounds it was evident, Mosley has trouble with THAT kind of fight.. against De La Hoya Mosley was in against someone who brought the fight to him and allowed himself to be hit back by being so reckless, those exchanges where they would just go blind throwing punches and abandon their guards are prime proof, look at how good Mosley did against him, beat him twice, everyone else just didn't have the style to beat Shane, Cotto does and IMO they could 2 more times and both times Cotto will only look better doing it..

Mosley goes for the flurries and that **** ****s him up, it makes for him to get hit more than he should, this is why when Cotto would land a jab you would noticeable see Shane's head jerk back because when he's coming forward and applying pressure he does it so reckless but his speed helped him a little bit but as Vernon Forrest said after the first fight "the jab neutralizes speed" his speed was halted and his flurries were stopped, against someone who was more his height and size like Cotto he was still able to get the better of a few rounds but nothing to win the fight, Cotto's jab secured the win just like Vernon's and just like Winky's.. what you say about Mosley's speed may be true and yes his right hands were landing at will but Shane wasn't just eating those shots, he was hitting Cotto with shots too that made him reconsider and say **** the KO, once that happened and he started Boxing Shane all Shane could do is press, as much skills as he had was as much that got jerked back by a jab, study his tapes and you'll see it for yourself yo dude just throws lighting fast punches in big bunches like in the Adrian Stone fight but once his speed is neutralized and his combo's don't find home he becomes reckless as shown in the 2nd De La Hoya fight and frustrated.. there is no coincidence that 3 people beat him for a total of 5 losses all with a similar game plan that he just couldn't respond to.

Winky wright and Forrest were taller and had a better jab than Cotto, We all know Jabs neutralises speed, Both fighters were able to jab and outmuscle Mosley easier but the way Cotto won the fight against mosley was a bit different from those two, It was a great fight though but i just thought Mosley has lost his speed a bit compare to Cotto gaining a bit of speed IMO.

[guzi815]

One thing that folks forget is that Miguel Cotto is a "Natural Southpaw", altough he boxes in the Orthodox stance. He signs autographs with his left hand, the dude is a lefty....making that left jab quick and crisp. Look at Winky Wright, who is a "Southpaw", stick that quick & crisp jab on Tito Trinidad.....ALL NITE! That had the same effect on Mosely. Just like Winky shut down Tito....Cotto neutralized Mosely with....a simple "jab-in-your-face".

[Ray*]

One thing that folks forget is that Miguel Cotto is a "Natural Southpaw", altough he boxes in the Orthodox stance. He signs autographs with his left hand, the dude is a lefty....making that left jab quick and crisp. Look at Winky Wright, who is a "Southpaw", stick that quick & crisp jab on Tito Trinidad.....ALL NITE! That had the same effect on Mosely. Just like Winky shut down Tito....Cotto neutralized Mosely with....a simple "jab-in-your-face".

I thought they converted him into unorthodox like they did oscar?