Freddie Roach vs Floyd Mayweather Sr. Who's the better trainer?

[-Swizzy-]

After watching Karmazin(trained by Roach) getting ko'd in his last fight, I had no doubt in my mind that Floyd Senior is the better trainer. Karmizin used the same inactive in the middle of the ring strategy that DLH was using and Karmazin had a much higher reach advantage. It was the same frustrations that I had watching the dlh-mayweather fight cuz DLH was basically inactive in the middle of the ring trying to imploy the 'cut-off the ring' strategy that Roach teaches his boxers. I only think pacquaio is doing so great cuz he doesn't really listen to Roach's instructions. And Oscar was like day and night from the mayorga fight to the mayweather fight. Ok so they are different oponents but, dlh still wasn't himself IMO and that was due to floyd senior not training him.
So, who is the better trainer in your opinion and why?

[El Jesus]

roach has had a far more diverse group of fighters and made them into something he doesnt force you to use a particular style, he makes the best out of what you have and maximizes the abilities you already have while tweaking where you lack without turning you into something your not.

i go with roach.

[Silencers]

Freddie Roach. He's better at helping fighters reach their full potential I think.

[raysan]

I think Roach really builds fighters, conditions them well, and comes up with great strategies, while Mayweather is great at utilzing boxers pure talent. pretty even to me.