Kitschko-Ibragimov and The Heavyweight State

[!! Mr. Soprano]

What a great analysis of the Heavies... Spot on - on EVERYTHING!
(One little thing I disagreed on, is that Brock is not a veteran)

GREAT ARTICLE!!!

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Dokes and Page are better skilled than most of the heavyweights today although i agree that most of the rest are not. Dokes ruined his own life by drugs.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Dokes and Page are better skilled than most of the heavyweights today although i agree that most of the rest are not. Dokes ruined his own life by drugs.

If the ***** in your sig keeps stearing at me any longer, I swear she'll have it coming! :wank:

[bigdaddysback]

The HW Division today is a joke! I am looking forward to Vitali fighting the winner of Maskaev/Peter - but he prob will pull out w/ some bs excuse. Wlad is not a great champ and would never make the top 10/15 of HW's of all time. To get Ko'd by Sanders and Brewster just shows that he has a glass jaw and it will only be a shortime b4 some1 smashes it again. I hear on the Oceans 14 set Lewis is gona knockout Wlad b4 the lights get turned off, then at the press conference he'll claim his water bottle was drugged. Wlad is just a myth like Pac!!

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Klitschko round 9 KO

[werewolf]

The heavyweight division, politically corrected propaganda aside, is now stronger than it has ever been. The fighters are much bigger and stronger and more skillful than ever. In fact, we desperately need additional weight classes because heavyweight greats of the past often were 180-210 pounds, much smaller than the current champs. There is really no place in boxing now for a man who weighs say 201, unless he is willing to suffer a 50 pound handicap, or in an extreme case, like Valuev, over 100 pound handicap. Meanwhile the lighter weight divisions are separated by an absurd 3 pounds.

There should be an asterisk next to the champions of the 1980's, mentioned in that article, since Soviet bloc fighters were not permitted to turn pro back then.



"...than anybody since Corrie Sanders, who also had fast hands and feet."

Not past tense. CS fights again in early Feb. in South Africa.

"I expect Wladimir to stop Sultan in a seesaw fight, probably around round seven."

That's about my prediction, too.

"Giant Nikolai Valuev is heading into a bout with the inactive Sergei Liakovich"

I don't know what the story is with Lyak. It was as if he deliberately lost to Briggs.





ww

[duffgun]

The heavyweight division, politically corrected propaganda aside, is now stronger than it has ever been. The fighters are much bigger and stronger and more skillful than ever. In fact, we desperately need additional weight classes because heavyweight greats of the past often were 180-210 pounds, much smaller than the current champs. There is really no place in boxing now for a man who weighs say 201, unless he is willing to suffer a 50 pound handicap, or in an extreme case, like Valuev, over 100 pound handicap. Meanwhile the lighter weight divisions are separated by an absurd 3 pounds.

There should be an asterisk next to the champions of the 1980's, mentioned in that article, since Soviet bloc fighters were not permitted to turn pro back then.



"...than anybody since Corrie Sanders, who also had fast hands and feet."

Not past tense. CS fights again in early Feb. in South Africa.

"I expect Wladimir to stop Sultan in a seesaw fight, probably around round seven."

That's about my prediction, too.

"Giant Nikolai Valuev is heading into a bout with the inactive Sergei Liakovich"

I don't know what the story is with Lyak. It was as if he deliberately lost to Briggs.





ww

I disagree with most of this we do not need extra weight classes, your point about small heavyweights not being able to compete is not true only a couple of years ago we had Byrd as heavyweight champ and he was very small, Holyfield was champ when he weighed 205-210lb, chambers is small yet has worked his way to a title eliminator.
The heavyweights need all the extra fighters they can get and i will be very disappointed if they add a super cruiserweight division.

[The Hammer]

Werewolf, we don't need anymore divisions in boxing. Smaller heavyweights are doing well (Ibragimov is listed as 6'2" but he's really only 6', and Chagaev is about the same size). As we saw in the Briggs vs. Sultan and the Chagaev vs. Valuev fights, smaller heavyweights usually have an advantage in speed.

[Mike Tyson77]

Werewolf, we don't need anymore divisions in boxing. Smaller heavyweights are doing well (Ibragimov is listed as 6'2" but he's really only 6', and Chagaev is about the same size). As we saw in the Briggs vs. Sultan and the Chagaev vs. Valuev fights, smaller heavyweights usually have an advantage in speed.

True, please no more divisions.