Are some races naturally better boxers?

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  • Davros?
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    #111
    Originally posted by Tunney
    All my life I've heard people say black men are naturally better at boxing than white. When I was about 12 or 13 and wanted to become a boxer, my physical education intstructor told me that while I might be able to beat the white guys, I would never be able to succeed against black boxers. I've often heard that when a black guy boxes with a white guy, you should always bet on the black guy.

    Yet now I take a look at all the current titleholders from middleweight up to heavyweight, and 16 of the 20 titles are held by white guys! (I've excluded the interim title and Arslan's and Mundines secondary WBA titles in my count).

    I know this is a sensitive question, but are some races really better at boxing? From what I've seen the last couple of years, I've concluded that race has absolutely nothing to do with it! It has everything to do with training, fitness, diet, courage and desire to win.
    Intresting in another post i remember you saying that you only started watching boxing after the Klits came through in about 2000.

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    • βetamax
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      #112
      Originally posted by Tunney
      All my life I've heard people say black men are naturally better at boxing than white. When I was about 12 or 13 and wanted to become a boxer, my physical education intstructor told me that while I might be able to beat the white guys, I would never be able to succeed against black boxers. I've often heard that when a black guy boxes with a white guy, you should always bet on the black guy.

      Yet now I take a look at all the current titleholders from middleweight up to heavyweight, and 16 of the 20 titles are held by white guys! (I've excluded the interim title and Arslan's and Mundines secondary WBA titles in my count).

      I know this is a sensitive question, but are some races really better at boxing? From what I've seen the last couple of years, I've concluded that race has absolutely nothing to do with it! It has everything to do with training, fitness, diet, courage and desire to win.
      Just...stop...now.

      I wouldn't be surprised if your story is made up. Assuming it's not your gym teacher is a racist and I'm not talking about racist toward white people, which is all you seem to care about. Racism doesn't exist without having power to enforce your stereotypes for the ultimate benefit of the privileged class. Who holds power in the US? Whites. So even though it may seem that it's injust to white people, it's actually infact a century old racist stereotype that enforces the idea that black people are all brawn and no brain while whites are the opposite. It's initially a sacrifice to rationalize power in the grand scheme of things. It's as though some say "Well, maybe we aren't as good as them in sports but since we have the brains we'll control what REALLY counts...jobs that apply to 99% of the population".

      So seriously, stop whining over something so petty. It's like stabbing someone and then going around complaining that you got a cut on your hand as a result.

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      • The Hammer
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        #113
        Originally posted by DavrosPremuleas
        Intresting in another post i remember you saying that you only started watching boxing after the Klits came through in about 2000.
        I became a serious boxing fan around that time, and later learned to follow it on the internet, but the coverage wasn't as good until a few years later. My late uncle was a boxer, that probably had something to do with it too. I was surprised and very interested at the Klitschkos' success, because I'd been told basically that white men can't fight.
        Last edited by The Hammer; 10-27-2008, 07:50 AM.

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        • Flawless.
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          #114
          Originally posted by Tunney

          Yet now I take a look at all the current titleholders from middleweight up to heavyweight, and 16 of the 20 titles are held by white guys! (I've excluded the interim title and Arslan's and Mundines secondary WBA titles in my count).
          UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


          Mundine is not white

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          • S A M U R A I
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            #115
            Originally posted by Tunney
            All my life I've heard people say black men are naturally better at boxing than white. When I was about 12 or 13 and wanted to become a boxer, my physical education intstructor told me that while I might be able to beat the white guys, I would never be able to succeed against black boxers. I've often heard that when a black guy boxes with a white guy, you should always bet on the black guy.

            Yet now I take a look at all the current titleholders from middleweight up to heavyweight, and 16 of the 20 titles are held by white guys! (I've excluded the interim title and Arslan's and Mundines secondary WBA titles in my count).

            I know this is a sensitive question, but are some races really better at boxing? From what I've seen the last couple of years, I've concluded that race has absolutely nothing to do with it! It has everything to do with training, fitness, diet, courage and desire to win.
            Nah, makes no difference. All you have to do is look at a fight like Calzaghe-Lacy and it blows any theory about black guys being better than white guys right out the window. Muscles don't win fights.



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            Last edited by S A M U R A I; 12-13-2008, 12:18 PM.

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            • 5burowz
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              #116
              God damn this thread is ****ing dumb.

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              • S A M U R A I
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                #117
                Originally posted by 5burowz
                God damn this thread is ****ing dumb.
                It's not totally dumb. I've had conversations with various people over the years (that's 32 years following this sport) who swear black boxers are superior. As much as you may think it's dumb, there are really people out there who think it's true.



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                • Flawless.
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                  #118
                  I did not bump this thread as a real convo but Tunney thinks Mundine is white if you from Australia you would understand

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                  • ELHURACAN58
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                    #119
                    Whats race got to do with it, got to do with it?
                    Whats race, but a color and appereance
                    Whats race got to do with it, got to do with it?
                    Who needs a race when a race can be changed.

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                    • MindBat
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                      #120
                      There ain't that many Chinese boxing champs either.

                      They mostly kick ass with the Kung Fu Hustle and eat a lot of rice.

                      Like me.

                      I love rice.

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