What is your opinion on Harold Lederman's ability to score fights

[TheGreatA]

He can judge certain types of fights. Lederman doesn't appreciate defense too much, I was shocked at how he judged Toney vs Jirov. The Kessler - Calzaghe fight was bad too but I guess it was just HBO trying to hype up Joe as much as possible.

[Thread Stealer]

he sometimes stinks.

he gave the shavers-ali fight for ali, he thought molina beat de la fishnet, thought jesus chavez was beating floyd after 7, thought jirov drew with toney, gave hatton some rounds against floyd where he caught most of the clean shots rather than give.

Effective aggression is not when you're coming forward and taking the great share of the good clean shots, rather than delivering them.

[Technical_Skill]

I gave up with Lederman after hatton mayweather, he had hatton like 1 round down going into the 6th round, he called the hatton point deduction round a 9-9 round, and ill never forget his classic line towards the end of the fight

"Ive given mayweather the last 3 rounds, jim, he's starting to move"

If mayweather wasnt moving for the first 3/4 rounds of the fight, i dunno what the **** he was doing.

Even Lampley separated himself and HBO from ledermans scorecard to avoid embarassment, it was a disgrace, Lampley, Merchant and Lederman are a bunch of ****in show-pony morons.

Want real coverage? Al Bernstein on Showtime, not interested in being a genric,old,cliched moron like Larry Merchant, just watches a fight and scores it.

[warp1432]

Harold can be soooooooooooooooooooooooo bad sometimes. Just outright horrible. He screws rounds up and doesn't even explain it. That's why I like having Max there. He perfers the outboxing type more so the infighters, so it'd be better to have different opinions.

Jim Watt, the scottish guy, seems to be a pretty good scorer, but haven't seen enough of him/

[Scott9945]

Lederman always gives preference to the more aggressive fighter, even if he is ineffective. But my biggest problem with him is that no matter what the circumstances are, he always scores a round with a knockdown 10-8. He'll do it if the winner of the round is winning big and floors the guy hard, or if the fighter is losing the round and scores just a flash knockdown. He'll even do it if it is a bogus knockdown that the ref screwed up on. That is a real limited viewpoint that doesn't allow for subjective judging. And IMO any good boxing judge doesn't limit himself to arbitrary standards like that.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

He does better than some of the judges out there...

The times I disagree, and Merchant reads his card.. I'm usually in tune with Larry

[Rane-Ex54]

Im telling yah they shuld hire teddy atlas just for his score card and 30 sec tips. It would be nice to actually teach people a lil bit about boxing while they watch, get rid of harold only thing he is good for, is a good laugh..."OK JIM!!!!"

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Lederman always gives preference to the more aggressive fighter, even if he is ineffective. But my biggest problem with him is that no matter what the circumstances are, he always scores a round with a knockdown 10-8. He'll do it if the winner of the round is winning big and floors the guy hard, or if the fighter is losing the round and scores just a flash knockdown. He'll even do it if it is a bogus knockdown that the ref screwed up on. That is a real limited viewpoint that doesn't allow for subjective judging. And IMO any good boxing judge doesn't limit himself to arbitrary standards like that.

That's not true... I've seen him do plenty of a 9:9 rounds..
(e.g. Klitschko / Peter)

[Thread Stealer]

He does better than some of the judges out there...

The times I disagree, and Merchant reads his card.. I'm usually in tune with Larry

Are you also a fan of giving that one even round out there?

[K-Nan]

You guys pretty much covered it. He's very hit and miss. Some nights I agree, some nights I think he's just ****ing around.