What does Wladimir Klitschko have to accomplish.....

[Motofan]

Ouch.......................

Im just kidding. But I think that there is some truth to him having to do more to be taken seriously by some fans. But the real answer is he got knocked out by two guys who shouldnt have beaten him, and he is in a weak era. I happen to think he is a very, very good heavyweight, but it will be hard to prove that with the lack of competition he has and how bad he usually makes them look.

[Allucard]

......to get into the current P4P discussion?

Imagine this hipotetical case. I'm a coordinated 7ft giant who have basic boxing skills, nothing special. Yet i jab KO every opponent of mine because in the majority of cases i outweight them by 60 pounds, which i have in muscle while most of them have it in fat if they have it.

Now imagine someone like Manny Pacquiao who has to compete with guys exactly his physical conditions to the quarter of a pound! Is it fair to you we put those in the same list? The only HW ever i could tolerate in a p4p ranking would be Ali because he was really skillful and inovative in many ways. Even him i have an hard time considering p4p.

Second point: pound for pound mean exactly pound for pound. A pound of mine vs a pound of yours. Not 260 pounds of mine vs 240 pounds of yours.

[beez721]

Imagine this hipotetical case. I'm a coordinated 7ft giant who have basic boxing skills, nothing special. Yet i jab KO every opponent of mine because in the majority of cases i outweight them by 60 pounds, which i have in muscle while most of them have it in fat if they have it.

Now imagine someone like Manny Pacquiao who has to compete with guys exactly his physical conditions to the quarter of a pound! Is it fair to you we put those in the same list? The only HW ever i could tolerate in a p4p ranking would be Ali because he was really skillful and inovative in many ways. Even him i have an hard time considering p4p.

Second point: pound for pound mean exactly pound for pound. A pound of mine vs a pound of yours. Not 260 pounds of mine vs 240 pounds of yours.

another misconception. wlad is undefeated against bigger men. mccline 6'6 260+ derrick jefferson 6'6 260 wolfgramm 6'5 330 carlos monroe 6'7 260 he knocked all of them out easily. if anything,,,he has bigger problems against smaller speedier fighters

[MetalVomit]

another misconception. wlad is undefeated against bigger men. mccline 6'6 260+ derrick jefferson 6'6 260 wolfgramm 6'5 330 carlos monroe 6'7 260 he knocked all of them out easily. if anything,,,he has bigger problems against smaller speedier fighters

I think that if he fights Sam Peter again, he knocks Peter out this time. Peter's too slow.

[Beyder28]

i dont think he is ever gonna get p4p consideration, being the unified heavyweight champ trumps p4p recognition any day of the week anyhow

he is definately the most dominant fighter within his division in all of boxing. and yes that is partly cause the other guys arent as tough as say Cotto, Margo, Williams at welter.....

consider wlad is a -700 favorite against a guy considered the 2nd ir 3rd best in his division..... thats not going to happen in any other division in boxing.

That is an absolutely excellent point! Who can name anyone in any other division that dominates so much? (aside from Floyd)

[Beyder28]

Second point: pound for pound mean exactly pound for pound. A pound of mine vs a pound of yours. Not 260 pounds of mine vs 240 pounds of yours.

A pound of mine for a pound of yours means a particular weight class. What P4P really means is if there were no weight classes and you only have to look at the fighter's skills and dominance without weight being a factor.

Klitschko has all the skill and dominance to be considered P4P. Its not just the size, cause he fought plenty of big men, its how you use it. Lennox Lewis was big with a huge reach and he was #4 on most of the P4P list for a long time.

[11player]

If you consider skills only, then Klitschko will not qualify at the top 30, but if you consider all the aspects involved, which make that fighter great at his specific wheight class, than Wlad is top 10, borderline top 10 at worst.

[MetalVomit]

I assume he would be in the top ten if he never would have lost to Sanders and Brewster. I think he'll dominate and K.O. Ibragimov, then beat the Peter/Maskeav winner. I give Maskeav a good shot in that fight due to the poor display by Peter against Mccline.