Introducing: The Boxing Scene Divisional Ratings

[warp1432]

How is Zredi the lineal champ when he is the WBO? The WBO came a lot later and even if it was vacted by someone Jones was still the best in the division in the 90s and Zredi and Jones didn't fight.

To me it should probably be Hopkins since he beat the man who beat the man.

[Sweet Pea]

How is Zredi the lineal champ when he is the WBO? The WBO came a lot later and even if it was vacted by someone Jones was still the best in the division in the 90s and Zredi and Jones didn't fight.

To me it should probably be Hopkins since he beat the man who beat the man.

Dude, it gets SO confusing. I don't even try to follow that "lineal" stuff anymore as it gets too much of a stretch as it is so far after the fact of actually having one champ.

[crold1]

Warp: Read the descends from line and then trace it; lineage is an "is." That's all. It's a hostorical marker. It's not always 'good' in its results. The lineage is:
Hill
DM
Julio Gonzalez
Erdei

The line of best light heavyweights over the last five years lies with Ring. Both are noted through the list and notes.

[NachoMan]

He's saying the current lineage for the welterweight title dates back to Shane beating Oscar in June 2000, which is correct. Trinidad was the champ due to his controversial majority decision over Oscar, then left to campaign @ 154. Shane and Oscar were the top two rated welters, their fight filling the vacancy.

From there:

- Mosley lost the linear title to Forrest in Jan '02,
- Forrest lost to Mayorga in Jan '03,
- Mayorga lost to Spinks in Dec '03,
- Spinks lost to Judah in Feb '05,
- Judah lost to Baldomir in Jan '06,
- Baldomir lost to Mayweather in Nov '06

The top part of his ranking per division specifies the linear champ.
The second line references either when such lineage began, or in the case of vacancies (like heavyweight), when it ended.

Thanks for the clarification, Jake. IMO the term lineal/linear champ should be avoided altogether, unless it genuinely applies (steady succession of the man beating the man in a given division). I agree with the people who say that line is broken if the recognized champ vacates or retires. Some people just gotta have a lineal champ, but it's really not so. I haven't done the research, but given the mess created by the ABC orgs over the years, is there even one true lineal champ in any division today?

[PRboxingfan]

From your article:

Heavyweight

World Heavyweight Championship: Vacant
Vacant Since: Retirement of Lennox Lewis 02/06/2004

Top Ten Contenders Total

1 Wladimir Klitschko (49-3, 44 KO, IBF) 3.058
2 Ruslan Chagaev (23-0-1, 17 KO, WBA) 11.021
3 Oleg Maskaev (34-5, 26 KO, WBC) 14.129
4 Samuel Peter (29-1, 22 KO, WBC Interim) 14.033
5 Sultan Ibragimov (22-0-1, 17 KO, WBO) 23.022

Can you explain why Sam Peter, who has a better total score than Oleg Maskaev, is below him in rankings? Is this just a typo of some sort?

BTW, I agree with most of them, but a bit of common sense should be used. For example, I don't agree with the following two:

1. Clinton Woods above Hopkins. If Roy Jones was the lineal champ, and Tarver was the one who beat him, and then Johnson split with Tarver (Tarver having won the second match, thus getting the lineal title back), and Tarver lost to Hopkins, how does Erdei end up the champion and Clinton Woods above Hopkins? B-Hop should be the lineal champ as the man who beat the man (Tarver) who beat the man (Johnson) who beat the man (Tarver) who beat the man (Roy Jones, Jr.). BTW, Hopkins is the Ring Champion, not Erdei.

2. Kessler below Mundine. Even though AM hasn't had a loss since Kessler, he hasn't beaten anyone even halfway decent (the only one is Sam Soliman and he's out of his weight class).

[crold1]

It's a Typo. Nice catch.

[Dick-Sucker]

I'm having trouble understanding how Mundine could be rated ahead of Kessler when Kessler dominated him in Australia not that long ago.

Mate rounds 1-4 were Mundines. He lacked agression after that. If he had the right mindset he would have won that fight.

The judges hate Mundine like a lot of people do because hes arrogant.

Ask 2501, Kessler won that by 2 rounds. I vomited when i heard the judges scorecards.

Being in Australia i go to nearly every Mundine fight. He is going places. If hes more agressive he can beat Kessler next time, im willing to bet big on it that he will.

[Dick-Sucker]

From your article:


Can you explain why Sam Peter, who has a better total score than Oleg Maskaev, is below him in rankings? Is this just a typo of some sort?

BTW, I agree with most of them, but a bit of common sense should be used. For example, I don't agree with the following two:

1. Clinton Woods above Hopkins. If Roy Jones was the lineal champ, and Tarver was the one who beat him, and then Johnson split with Tarver (Tarver having won the second match, thus getting the lineal title back), and Tarver lost to Hopkins, how does Erdei end up the champion and Clinton Woods above Hopkins? B-Hop should be the lineal champ as the man who beat the man (Tarver) who beat the man (Johnson) who beat the man (Tarver) who beat the man (Roy Jones, Jr.). BTW, Hopkins is the Ring Champion, not Erdei.

2. Kessler below Mundine. Even though AM hasn't had a loss since Kessler, he hasn't beaten anyone even halfway decent (the only one is Sam Soliman and he's out of his weight class).

Danny Green isn't class? The guy holds a LHW championship belt. He has the chance to beat Erdei or Woods if he fights them. He is world class, in a weak division which is LHW. Mundine destroyed him. Won every round except for the first. I once again vomited at one judge who gave it to Mundine by 2 rounds. It was the easiest thing to score ever.

Wait until AM steps it up. I have seen the guy in sparring, hes awesome. Hes going to be big by the end of 2008.

[crold1]

As long as he's careful with those contact lenses right?

[warp1432]

I have a question about the ring's ratings cliff if you don't mind:

How come The Ring is so generous with inactivity? Take Jeff Lacy for example. He was ranked at 3 for the longest time, while many other fighters were doing much more things and gaining good wins. To be honest, I'd have Jeff Lacy maybe around atleast 6 because he was inactive and showed a poor performance against Manfredo.

I guess some instances can have special exceptions when people deserve to have the spot be the same if they are inactive. Oscar De La Hoya being an example because he probably should be rated about 3. Maybe 4 since Vernon Forrest has had two solid performances lately.

Still, why are the memebers so hesitant to bump somebody down like Jeff Lacy?

Just wondering. Thanks.