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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Introducing: The Boxing Scene Divisional Ratings

    Introducing: The Boxing Scene Divisional Ratings
    Cliff Rold

    For all the good done the sport in the ring in 2007, confusion and dissension still reign in an area that they should not: boxing’s championships and rankings. Various press outlets, sanctioning bodies and historians all have their own take on the who’s and how’s of the subject; most corners make valid points.

    It begs the question: What happens when those strands of thought are combined?

    That’s the question at the heart of the first Boxing Scene divisional ratings. Based in spirit on the concepts at play in College Football’s Bowl Championship Series rankings, the ratings found here reflect a cross section of:

    1. Historical lineage;
    2. Press ratings from Ring Magazine, ESPN, SecondsOut.com, and the U.K.’s Boxing Monthly;
    3. The ratings of the four major sanctioning bodies: the WBC, WBA, WBO, and IBF;
    4. The computer ratings of the IBO and at boxrec.com; and
    5. Quality components based on career winning percentage and results against current top ten contenders and/or a division’s champion where there is one.

    These rankings ultimately will be no more definitive than any other set out there and already the first bone of contention can be presumed: given their known and suspected fraudulence on so many levels, why include the ratings of the various sanctioning bodies? The answer isn’t that difficult to come by.

    Regardless of their legitimacy, sanctioning body ratings and titles have tremendous influence on what fights fans look forward to. A fighter may be little regarded amongst the press but, given the right ranking by a sanctioning authority, that fighter could be much closer to a title fight than more qualified peers. That reality of the game can’t be wished away nor completely ignored; heck, sometimes supposed mis-mandatories can even surprise as was the case with men like Ricardo Mayorga and Carlos Baldomir at welterweight in recent years.

    Given those truths, the sanctioning bodies, for all their ills, are represented here. Also noted will be the owners of the various alphabelts across the sports seventeen weight divisions; those sometimes collide with legitimate World champs. World Championship recognition in these ratings is based on historical lineage. As will be seen, that is not always the same thing as being a Ring Magazine champion.

    Enough, though, about semantics. There will be plenty at the end of the page about such things. Let’s skip to the main event and introduce the January 2007 Boxing Scene Ratings. [details]
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    I'm having trouble understanding how Mundine could be rated ahead of Kessler when Kessler dominated him in Australia not that long ago.

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    • crold1
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      Just the nature of the formula Scott...not that I have a problem anyways. Kessler got a title shot and Mundine has had some quality wins since they fought 2 1/2 years ago.

      Then again, this isn't my personal take on it; it's an analysis that factors in multiple elements.
      Last edited by crold1; 01-03-2008, 08:05 AM.

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        Originally posted by crold1
        Just the nature of the formula Scott...not that I have a problem anyways. Kessler got a title shot and Mundine has had some quality wins since they fought 2 1/2 years ago.

        Then again, this isn't my personal take on it; it's an analysis that factors in multiple elements.
        Cliff, I always enjoy your work as very informed. This is an interesting piece top to bottom (though I get kinda sketchy in my own knowledge below Featherweight). I can see why you included the Alphabet ratings as part of the formula here though if you are going to dance with that devil, we will have to live with the Mundines (not that he isn't brilliant) landing in front of the Kesslers, a perfectly blatant miscarriage (yes, Tony beat an apparently-weight drained Danny Green but Kessler in the meantime smoked badass Librado Andrade and decapitated Green-conquerer Markus Beyer). I know that artificial formulas aside, YOU wouldn't be trying to justify Mundine as top contender. LOL!

        Speaking of the Lightweights in your article, you may have gotten off one of the best lines ever (to which I agree): "...by the end of the year, the division’s lack of depth won’t matter. We’ll all be too awestruck by the carnage to notice."

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        • NachoMan
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          Interesting.

          I don't think that I fully understand a few things though. For example, a few of the justifications for claim to lineal champion seem odd. For example, the article says that Mayweather is the legitimate lineal welter champion based on Mosely's UD over ODLH in 2000. Floyd never fought Mosely. Like I said, I'm probably understanding this wrong, but if you could explain the lineal claims I would appreciate it.

          World Welterweight Champion: Floyd Mayweather (39-0, 25 KO, Lineal/Ring/WBC)
          Lineage Descends From: Mosley UD12 De La Hoya 06/17/2000

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            Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
            Introducing: The Boxing Scene Divisional Ratings
            Cliff Rold

            For all the good done the sport in the ring in 2007, confusion and dissension still reign in an area that they should not: boxing’s championships and rankings. Various press outlets, sanctioning bodies and historians all have their own take on the who’s and how’s of the subject; most corners make valid points.

            It begs the question: What happens when those strands of thought are combined?

            That’s the question at the heart of the first Boxing Scene divisional ratings. Based in spirit on the concepts at play in College Football’s Bowl Championship Series rankings, the ratings found here reflect a cross section of:

            1. Historical lineage;
            2. Press ratings from Ring Magazine, ESPN, SecondsOut.com, and the U.K.’s Boxing Monthly;
            3. The ratings of the four major sanctioning bodies: the WBC, WBA, WBO, and IBF;
            4. The computer ratings of the IBO and at boxrec.com; and
            5. Quality components based on career winning percentage and results against current top ten contenders and/or a division’s champion where there is one.

            These rankings ultimately will be no more definitive than any other set out there and already the first bone of contention can be presumed: given their known and suspected fraudulence on so many levels, why include the ratings of the various sanctioning bodies? The answer isn’t that difficult to come by.

            Regardless of their legitimacy, sanctioning body ratings and titles have tremendous influence on what fights fans look forward to. A fighter may be little regarded amongst the press but, given the right ranking by a sanctioning authority, that fighter could be much closer to a title fight than more qualified peers. That reality of the game can’t be wished away nor completely ignored; heck, sometimes supposed mis-mandatories can even surprise as was the case with men like Ricardo Mayorga and Carlos Baldomir at welterweight in recent years.

            Given those truths, the sanctioning bodies, for all their ills, are represented here. Also noted will be the owners of the various alphabelts across the sports seventeen weight divisions; those sometimes collide with legitimate World champs. World Championship recognition in these ratings is based on historical lineage. As will be seen, that is not always the same thing as being a Ring Magazine champion.

            Enough, though, about semantics. There will be plenty at the end of the page about such things. Let’s skip to the main event and introduce the January 2007 Boxing Scene Ratings. [details]
            I'd be much more interested in the Jan 2008 ratings, BPP...

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            • PBDS
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              .....I like it. I don't agree with all of the rankings but I still like it.

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                Originally posted by NachoMan
                Interesting.

                I don't think that I fully understand a few things though. For example, a few of the justifications for claim to lineal champion seem odd. For example, the article says that Mayweather is the legitimate lineal welter champion based on Mosely's UD over ODLH in 2000. Floyd never fought Mosely. Like I said, I'm probably understanding this wrong, but if you could explain the lineal claims I would appreciate it.
                He's saying the current lineage for the welterweight title dates back to Shane beating Oscar in June 2000, which is correct. Trinidad was the champ due to his controversial majority decision over Oscar, then left to campaign @ 154. Shane and Oscar were the top two rated welters, their fight filling the vacancy.

                From there:

                - Mosley lost the linear title to Forrest in Jan '02,
                - Forrest lost to Mayorga in Jan '03,
                - Mayorga lost to Spinks in Dec '03,
                - Spinks lost to Judah in Feb '05,
                - Judah lost to Baldomir in Jan '06,
                - Baldomir lost to Mayweather in Nov '06

                The top part of his ranking per division specifies the linear champ.
                The second line references either when such lineage began, or in the case of vacancies (like heavyweight), when it ended.

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                • Run
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                  Yeah.

                  I'm just confused how John was in the first spot by beating a bunch of unknown Indonesians and then robbing JMM blind?

                  I can pick two relatively unknown South/Central American fighters who have 95% knockout ratios over cab drivers and plumbers and have never lost a fight. Why aren't they ranked in this system? lol.



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                  • Scott9945
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                    Originally posted by crold1
                    Just the nature of the formula Scott...not that I have a problem anyways. Kessler got a title shot and Mundine has had some quality wins since they fought 2 1/2 years ago.

                    Then again, this isn't my personal take on it; it's an analysis that factors in multiple elements.
                    Thanks for explaining that Cliff.

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