How bothered is America about Haye/Enzo

[MrZeus]

That'll be Frank Warren with 2 World Champions (well, 3 if you count Arthur, which I don't) with the WBO belt, 1 of whom is also unified champion and P4P top 3 (at least)? It's hardly the sort of cabal Don King had going with one or two of the sanctioning bodies .....

He does have some clout with the WBO though. Mind you, it was the Brits who first gave their belts some meaning so that could be why.

Yeah I get what you're saying. It's just that at times it seems too many warren fighters go down the same predictable route.

What are the chances Amir Khan will one day end up with the WBO belt, remain undefeated for 5+ years fighting 95% in England, then all of a sudden start calling out big names accross the Atlantic for a Vegas superfight.

But hey, I guess we all know boxing's a business and when it comes to maximising career earnings Warren's one of the best.

[SHB]

Yeah I get what you're saying. It's just that at times it seems too many warren fighters go down the same predictable route.

What are the chances Amir Khan will one day end up with the WBO belt, remain undefeated for 5+ years fighting 95% in England, then all of a sudden start calling out big names accross the Atlantic for a Vegas superfight.

But hey, I guess we all know boxing's a business and when it comes to maximising career earnings Warren's one of the best.

I think Khan is being lined up to take the WBA belt from Rees, if he gets through his mandatory. Will Khan fight in the US? More likely than Calzaghe going over there early in his career, but then the fights are all in the US for him and that wasn't the case for Calzaghe.

Yeah, the WBO is always Warren's first port of call and he is very good at getting titles for his fighters and then milking them for all their worth. He's not alone in that.

[HeartAttack]

Yes, but your lil sister is one tough old bird.

Enzo's resume isn't stellar (neither is Haye's for that matter) but frankly this Wilson chap has recently lost 4 consecutive fights and no-one in Europe (i.e. where the belts and money in this division are) has heard of him. He needs to get his arse over here or he can stay in his own country and continue to fight some more random rednecks.

Haye-Maccarinelli is a massive massive fight in the UK. Each fighter is probably earning a higher purse than anyone else in the division has ever earned. Wilson means **** so I can't see how you can say he's a more "viable candidate" to take on Haye than the WBO champion who is undefeated in several years and is a pretty big name over here.

Kelvin Davis, Dale Brown, Daniel Judah, and Emmanuel Nwodo. One Nigerian, Two thugs, and a Canadian who beat O'Neill Bell (the judges beat Dale Brown on the scorecards but Brown beat Bell in the ring). No rednecks, all rated higher than Enzo's victories and thus a much better run than Enzo's. And please don't say champion when talking about a paper belt, Haye is the Champion and Enzo a titlist. I LOVE this fight between Haye and Maccarenelli for the division, but Enzo has trully no credentials, but he is a big name fighting for a big promoter who doesn't snort all of the money he makes off of fights. And Enzo has a big name trainer, and while Wilson isn't the most skilled or anywhere near the best of the division, when it comes to "deserving" a title shot, he is higher than Maccarenelli in regards of credible opponents and exciting highlight reel victories. Haye will demolish both and a Enzo/Wilson fight would be a hell of a scrap.

[MrZeus]

Kelvin Davis, Dale Brown, Daniel Judah, and Emmanuel Nwodo. One Nigerian, Two thugs, and a Canadian who beat O'Neill Bell (the judges beat Dale Brown on the scorecards but Brown beat Bell in the ring). No rednecks, all rated higher than Enzo's victories and thus a much better run than Enzo's. And please don't say champion when talking about a paper belt, Haye is the Champion and Enzo a titlist. I LOVE this fight between Haye and Maccarenelli for the division, but Enzo has trully no credentials, but he is a big name fighting for a big promoter who doesn't snort all of the money he makes off of fights. And Enzo has a big name trainer, and while Wilson isn't the most skilled or anywhere near the best of the division, when it comes to "deserving" a title shot, he is higher than Maccarenelli in regards of credible opponents and exciting highlight reel victories. Haye will demolish both and a Enzo/Wilson fight would be a hell of a scrap.

Yeah I agree with you. Whilst the WBO can mean something depending on the holder, in Macca's case it is purely a paper title. In fact I fear for career ambitions if he loses cos he doesn't have the resume to ensure quick title fight. Although I guess with Haye vacting his belts no-ones gonna be surprised when Macca gets another shot at the.........oh dear, i feel i've been down this route of discussion already.

[Guest]

Honestly, I think Toney-Jirov was the last time many Americans cared about cruiserweights. The networks don't exactly create much interest in the division.

Sure we get to see Darnell Wilson and other second tier guys, but are forced to find internet feeds and clips from youtube to get our knowledge of the division. Occasionally we'll get a Mormeck-Bell type of thing but it's not promoted very well here.

Then we have guys like Cunningham who is probably very good, but has to fight in Europe to build any kind of resume and these are fights we rarely get to see and it is a paragraph on boxing websites.

It's a shame because I think Haye is pretty exciting but I have to hunt hard to find his fights as well as some of the others.

JReckoning

[oovavu]

on what groulds does wilson deserve a shot? the fact he is american? the best 2 cruiserweights in the world are british and this is a fight to see who is the best out the two, its not a breat division but it should still provide a good fight.

[MrZeus]

Unfortunately this fight isn't gonna be able to reignite the division cos if Haye wins he'll simply move up and we'll have the usual scramble for vacant belts, and if Macca wins somehow i don't see him taking on allcomers so he'll never be able to hang onto all 3.

[The Monk]

Not much love for Macca in this thread. Look, the guy might not have the most ability and a bit of a dodgy chin but he still hits like a mule and is improving every fight. His fight against Braithwaite wasn't really laboured, he completly outboxed him and dropped him along the way. I still think the Hayemaker is too good for him but I think Macca will put in a good show, and don't be suprised if Haye tastes the canvas. I would recommend if it aint on TV in the states to try and catch it on sopcast, it will be a good fight.

[loui_ludwig]

USS Cunningham will beat both of them.

[BrooklynBomber]

Very interested.

And as much as I like Steve I don't think he beats Enzo, he might beat Haye though.