How We’ll Remember Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe

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  • tills9191
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    How We’ll Remember Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe

    Both are elite fighters who had the talent to dominate their divisions. Then both spent the majority of their careers wasting it. Their entries at Canastosa could have had exclamation points; future fans will bring question marks..

    I can’t say for sure how a fight between super-middleweight champ Joe Calzaghe and light heavyweight champ Bernard Hopkins would go. But I’m intrigued by the similarities in their careers: they represent two of the most talented, and least accomplished fighters of the past decade.

    Wake up! There's a good reason why the boxing world spent so much time ignoring them.

    Before posting the “F*** you” comments below, try the following exercise: Name their greatest victories. I’ll bet that list covers less than one-tenth of their careers.

    Both careers consist primarily of second-tier journeymen (many of whom already failed in multiple title shots) and former champions past their best days. Both passed on innumerable opportunities to fight men they could have beaten.

    Then both finally took a risk toward the twilights of their careers, and acted as though they had been so bold the whole time.

    When people talk about Joe Calzaghe’s dominance at 168 pounds, they’re not talking about his ten years as a belt-holder. More than likely they’re just interested in the past two years – a fraction of his boxing life – when he beat Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler.

    But Lacy and Kessler were far above par for the average Calzaghe opponent. A more harmless fighter like Evans Ashira, Richie Woodhall or Mario Veit more fits the bill. The Calzaghe that calls out quality fighters has become known among the forgetful as the Calzaghe we’ve always had.

    Remember – it wasn’t that long ago that Calzaghe’s notion of a dream fight was a match against Eamon Magee. The WBO earned Calzaghe’s ire when it forced him to fight the similarly unqualified Mario Veit instead.

    Turn to Bernard Hopkins, and very little concerns his decade of dominance as the IBF middleweight champ (despite some significant, but unappreciated victories such as Awtumn Echols). Instead we inevitably focus on a handful of super-fights he won following his thrashing of Felix Trinidad in 2001. But Hopkins wasted no time in squandering the momentum.

    It’s the same story with B-Hop: Trinidad, Tarver and Wright are by far the most accomplished fighters he faced. However, his average opponent looked more like Carl Daniels or Morrade Hakkar – fighters who simply presented no threat.

    Or they were cases like William Joppy, where Hopkins merely waited until time had pounded him to a less threatening figure. He talked about fighting Winky Wright years ago when Wright was actually fighting as his ideal weight; it too fell through.

    If either beat a qualified fighter, it was usually by accident (Glen Johnson, Sakio Bika), not because they knew the risk. By and large, their careers consist of former-greats and never-greats.

    Don King was right when he pointed out that Hopkins was like a man who won the lottery, then threw away the ticket. Calzaghe could sympathize.

    Many fans lionized them and made heroes of their second-rate victims after the fact. I respect both fighters; both stand among the top of the sport. But there’s no question that the both of them didn’t use their talent to the best of their abilities.

    To be fair, many things kept them from big fights: greedy promoters, cowardly boxers and a general lack of name recognition. But more often than not, they have no one to blame but themselves. They out-priced themselves, were hard to deal with, and didn't take the risk.
  • Greatwhitehope
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    Too me holding a world title for ten years is using your ability to or very close to i's full potential.

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    • Benny Leonard
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      They are going to get credit for their careers, go to the HOF, but I use Roy Jones Jr. as their equalizer. Hopkins lost to Roy and knew he could never beat him, so when Roy moved up, he didn't chase. Calzaghe, the same, except he didn't even try to fight Roy. But there is no shame in being one level below the best P4P fighter and one of the most gifted, if not the most gifted boxing athlete of all time. It's like saying you are second to Michael Jordan.

      It's a shame Hopkins never moved up and had a fight with Joe, but I can understand it as well. After Tito, he was already around 35/36 years old and wanted to get paid, and that meant sticking around at middle and getting future fights with a possible rematch with Tito (which never happened) and the many other top name fighters, which ended up being Oscar. Plus, I cannot blame him as well since you cannot expect Hopkins to move up for the sake of a Calzaghe fight if Joe never moves up either.
      Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-29-2007, 08:30 AM.

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      • RichCCFC
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        If Calzaghe was american he would of had Roy Jones status. It's because the yanks didn't notice him earlier did he not have the drawing power and big fights.

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        • trfcdan86
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          Calzaghe v RJJ both at their peaks, I would say Calzaghe by KO!

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          • Benny Leonard
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            Originally posted by JoeCalzaghe
            If Calzaghe was american he would of had Roy Jones status. It's because the yanks didn't notice him earlier did he not have the drawing power and big fights.
            Like it or not, America is the big stage, it has been for a long time, which is why foreign fighters that want to make money, become popular, come over to the States. Nobody prevented Joe from fighting in the States. Even Woods came over to the States to fight Jones for the title.

            If I want to be a great {World} Football player, I will not play in the States; I will leave to play in one of the respected leagues.

            Many things helped Roy: From showing God-like ability in the amateurs, to being ripped off in the Olympics, winning titles from 160-175, etc.

            He was fantastic to watch.

            Being from America does help, but you still have to prove yourself, and it isn't the only thing. You can still be from another place and make it.
            Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-29-2007, 10:26 AM.

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