Mayweather's win was impressive but.....

[Tyson Jones]

Hopkins resume is not that great, he's lose 2 of his last 4, he beat 2 naturaly 140 pounders a few years ago. He's only beating a weighdrained nobody in tarver and a past his prime, overweight winky. He wont beat calzaghe. I'll guarentee that, but if he were to, he's still not above floyd, or pacquiao for that matter.

[rebmogul]

Hopkins resume is not that great, he's lose 2 of his last 4, he beat 2 naturaly 140 pounders a few years ago. He's only beating a weighdrained nobody in tarver and a past his prime, overweight winky. He wont beat calzaghe. I'll guarentee that, but if he were to, he's still not above floyd, or pacquiao for that matter.

Yeah, Hopkins lost to Taylor in their first fight just like Sturm lost to ODH.
But we do agree on Calzaghe, I think Hopkins loses that fight. After, I want to see Calzaghe/Dawson.

[Greatwhitehope]

Hopkins resume is not that great, he's lose 2 of his last 4, he beat 2 naturaly 140 pounders a few years ago. He's only beating a weighdrained nobody in tarver and a past his prime, overweight winky. He wont beat calzaghe. I'll guarentee that, but if he were to, he's still not above floyd, or pacquiao for that matter.

And Hopkins was at the peak of his career? Are you forgetting that Hopkins moved up a weight class for the fight and his now into his 40's?

As for losing to Jermaine Taylor twice I will always have my doubts about that first title fight, I had Hopkins up on points, I'm no fight judge, but too me he was up, that was before I was a Hopkins fan as well.

[1pretty boy1]

i think calzaghe will win the fight but he not dominates hopkins i've never seen a fighter that dominated hopkins even roy didn't,so stop saying"embaress",and about p4p#1 i think he shouldn't be he even said that floyd mayweather is the best fighter of his era so if he says this you must just shut up!

[DLT]

sorry folks, if Hopkins manages to beat Calzaghe (and I don't think he can), Hopkins will have to be ranked as the #1~P4P fighter on the planet.

I'm not trying to take away anything from Mayweather, but take a look at Bernard's history. He has fought EVERYONE. Jones, Johnson, Joppy, Trinidad, Taylor (twice), Wright, Tarver and next up is Calzaghe.

As gifted as Floyd is (Floyd's legacy will be determined by the fight with Cotto. If Floyd wins IMPRESSIVELY, I think he gets stopped by Cotto, he becomes an all time GREAT!) his record is no match for Hopkins. No fighter of this era has fought the level of competition that Hopkins has. He has fought all of these champs in their prime and he wins convincingly.

look, Im a big Hopkins fan but you cant put him over Floyd. 1st you said he wont all those fights but he didnt. He lost to RJ and lost to Taylor twice. He's also a guy who's had big fights but was also known for not taking big fights because of ****** money reasons. The biggest difference is that Floyd is a 5 division champ who has moved up unaturally and beat bigger guys while Hopkins stayed at 160 and beat up on smaller guys who moved up like Tito, Oscar, and Winky. The Tarver win was impressive but lets not make Tarver out to be the guy who was in the Rocky movie. Tarver had just lost to Glen Johnson of all people. How can you say his record is no match for Hopkins when most people think Hopkins resume is pretty made up? I mean he had all those MW defenses but its not like he was fighting in "this WW division". All the guys he beat were pretty average until the little guys moved up to fight him. He should beat them. Floyd is the little guy who has moved up to fight the big monsters. You think Cotto will stop Floyd because Floyd is a little guy who has moved up and the WW's are too big for him. That should gain him more credit then your giving him because what Hopkins did was the other way around

[Smokin']

What a ******ed thread.

In reality, Hopkins cant hold Floyd's jockstrap.

A legend doesn't lose to a green, amateur fighter like Taylor.

Taylor is in his prime, and he has arguably lost his last 4 out of 5 fights. I dont want to hear any excuses.

Granted they were all top class opponents, but they were all smaller.

Spinks at the very least drew with him. I had Winky over him. And the Hopkins bouts are both disputable.

[rebmogul]

What a ******ed thread.

In reality, Hopkins cant hold Floyd's jockstrap.

A legend doesn't lose to a green, amateur fighter like Taylor.

Taylor is in his prime, and he has arguably lost his last 4 out of 5 fights. I dont want to hear any excuses.

Granted they were all top class opponents, but they were all smaller.

Spinks at the very least drew with him. I had Winky over him. And the Hopkins bouts are both disputable.

by saying he lost to taylor twice means you haven't watched the fights. so i recommend you watch the fight and then form an opinion based on what you have seen and not what you read on this board. but you do make some good points about the smaller fighters.

******ed, would explain why you look like an usher groupie with those fake ass shades and glasses. have some respect for yourself and take down that jacked up avatar and get your own style.

[Fox McCloud]

by saying he lost to taylor twice means you haven't watched the fights. so i recommend you watch the fight and then form an opinion based on what you have seen and not what you read on this board. but you do make some good points about the smaller fighters.

******ed, would explain why you look like an usher groupie with those fake ass shades and glasses. have some respect for yourself and take down that jacked up avatar and get your own style.

I thought he lost to Taylor twice.

He didn't bother to fight the first 8 rounds in their first fight.

He got outhustled by Taylor in their second fight.

Simple as that.

Your list of world beaters Bernard has fought has some problems.

1. He lost to Taylor and Jones, so they are off the list.

2. He beat ODLH (started at 130) and Trinidad (a one-dimensional power fighter who started at 147... power goes away when you move up weight classes).

I definately don't know how you make the argument that Hopkins passes Pacquiao if he beats Marquez either. Pacquiao's resume is far greater than Hopkins's, and he will be beating a higher ranked fighter than Calzaghe in Marquez.

Mayweather also has beaten a couple of P4P elites, as well as a bunch of very good fighters.

[warp1432]

Hopkins resume is not that great, he's lose 2 of his last 4, he beat 2 naturaly 140 pounders a few years ago. He's only beating a weighdrained nobody in tarver and a past his prime, overweight winky. He wont beat calzaghe. I'll guarentee that, but if he were to, he's still not above floyd, or pacquiao for that matter.

Yeah he "lost" two of his last 4, but you forgot that they were close fights, both times.

And don't give me that "They were small" bull**** Trinidad volunteered to come up, was fighting at 154 before that, still had his power (When you knockout William Joppy in 5 you have power), and he was participating in a tournament in which he advanced. Oh yeah and he was the favorite in the fight too.

De La Hoya can be argued since he looked like **** against Strum, but he also volunteered and was competetive until the knockout.

Tarver was also the favorite and dominating Tarver at 41 is impressive.


Topic on hand, no he wouldn't if he beat Joe. I'd have him at possibly 2, but not if Pacquiao beats Marquez.

[rebmogul]

Jones, Mayweather and some could argue Calzaghe all have better resumes that B-Hop. Calzaghe will embaress him.

that is true. and i agree calzaghe kicks his ass. after that i want to see calzaghe/pavlik