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  • #21
    Originally posted by DURAN_IS_GOD View Post
    of course they have bums on their record but klitschko has way more. yeah the question was who is the better knockout artist but you have to take competition into account when analysing their percentages. usually the better fighters you fight the better their chins are. its not rocket science
    Unfortunately.. I am from the school of thought.. That people before the year 2000.. were NOT made of IRON.. They were infact.. made of Flesh and Bone... They Could not hit any harder nor take a hit any better than anyone else...
    This bull**** about the past being so awesome is tiring.. especially when I am being told it by people who werent even alive.. or still playing with their GI Joes..

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    • #22
      Wlad hands down. He knockes out quality opponents and champions and make them look like bums. Foreman and Tyson went the distance in some of thier fights. only 4 people has went the distance with Wlad. and you can make a case that Wlad is the hardest hitter of them all as well.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View Post
        Unfortunately.. I am from the school of thought.. That people before the year 2000.. were NOT made of IRON.. They were infact.. made of Flesh and Bone... They Could not hit any harder nor take a hit any better than anyone else...
        This bull**** about the past being so awesome is tiring.. especially when I am being told it by people who werent even alive.. or still playing with their GI Joes..
        im fast coming to the conclusion that your a ****ing idiot. nobody is saying that people before 2000 were made of iron, i do not understand your point??? your theory about math and stats is flawed in as much as you could take a heavyweight, pit him against featherweights his entire career and he'd have a 100% knockout ratio, thus making him the best knockout artist based on your theory. what im saying is that your competition is relevant, because if your knocking out high class guys then that makes you a better exponent of the knockout shot than somebody beating up on bums

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        • #24
          Vitali = 92% KO

          By the way, I have noticed a lot of people on boxingscence whose opinion will be swayed by which era the boxer fought in. Let me just say this... Just because their older boxers it doesn't mean their skill or punch power or w.e is better than more recent fighters.

          For the record I picked Foreman.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by DURAN_IS_GOD View Post
            im fast coming to the conclusion that your a ****ing idiot. nobody is saying that people before 2000 were made of iron, i do not understand your point??? your theory about math and stats is flawed in as much as you could take a heavyweight, pit him against featherweights his entire career and he'd have a 100% knockout ratio, thus making him the best knockout artist based on your theory. what im saying is that your competition is relevant, because if your knocking out high class guys then that makes you a better exponent of the knockout shot than somebody beating up on bums
            I concur, although I will say that Welter_Skelter generally has some pretty well-reasoned posts from what I've read. Obviously, if you want to decide based on the math, then you should at least acknowledge that the math problem is a bit more nuanced. You have to go a bit deeper than simply determining knockout ratio percentages. To be honest, I don't think that the quality of opposition is the real factor either, at least if you're referring only to the record or skill of each fighter's opponents. I think that you have to determine the frequency that each of their KO victims had been knocked out before and after. For example: Fighter A is very skilled and has outboxed a lot of guys to build a very solid record. As good as this guy is he just happens to have a glass chin, so he's lost a few by knockout. Fighter B is a far less skilled fighter who has lost half of his fights, but not one via knockout. IMO a knockout over this second fighter ought to carry more weight. I haven't done the research (and I don't plan to), but I suspect that peoples' opinions might change if this type of data was available. In the end, a fighter who knocks out all of the usual suspects doesn't impress as much as the guy who knocked out many of the usual suspects as well as some granite chinned guys.
            Last edited by NachoMan; 12-20-2007, 09:27 AM.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by NachoMan View Post
              I concur, although I will say that Welter_Skelter generally has some pretty well-reasoned posts from what I've read. Obviously, if you want to decide based on the math, then you should at least acknowledge that the math problem is a bit more nuanced. You have to go a bit deeper than simply determining knockout ratio percentages. To be honest, I don't think that the quality of opposition is the real factor either, at least if you're referring only to the record or skill of each fighter's opponents. I think that you have to determine the frequency that each of their KO victims had been knocked out before and after. For example: Fighter A is very skilled and has outboxed a lot of guys to build a very solid record. As good as this guy is he just happens to have a glass chin, so he's lost a few by knockout. Fighter B is a far less skilled fighter who has lost half of his fights, but not one via knockout. IMO a knockout over this second fighter ought to carry more weight. I haven't done the research (and I don't plan to), but I suspect that peoples' opinions might change if this type of data was available. In the end, a fighter who knocks out all of the usual suspects doesn't impress as much as the guy who knocked out many of the usual suspects as well as some granite chinned guys.
              that is precisely what im saying. the term knockout artist imo refers to the ability to knockout guys of all kind of levels, styles and chins. that is why you cant solely go on knockout percentages, although as a quick guide to who hits hard and who doesn't it certainly works. i was probably harsh on welter skelter, he is a good poster and he definitely knows his stuff

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              • #27
                In his prime, Tyson was uncomparable. However, a lot of us are not old enough to remember Foreman's wrath. From what I hear, he was the most brutal KO artist ever. All KO wins in the Olympics & a Gold Medal. He punished Frazier too, LMAO, He hit him so hard Smokin' Joe bounced off the ring canvas.

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                • #28
                  big george

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                  • #29
                    Big George, none of the other three has someone the likes of Joe Frazier on their KO resume, and George knocked him around like a rag doll in two fights. Hell George had KO'd 19 fighters in 20 fights on his comeback trail, when Tyson figured he'd rather fight "bum of the month" Buster Douglas instead.

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                    • #30
                      George Foreman, no doubt

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