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  • Wiley Hyena
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    Mayweather on the Doorstep

    Now that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has passed his latest test, ending with a devastating knockout of a very determined Ricky Hatton, Floyd must be re-evaluated. It was not long ago, in response to Dios Dominicano's inquiries, that I stated that if Floyd were to stand in and knock out Hatton, then due credit would be given. He did it. There are no legitimate excuses. Even the deplorably biased referee in charge, Joe Cortez, couldn't manufacture a knockout. While Joe Cortez' stern interference will be forever remembered to the detriment of his career, Floyd's performance was so outstanding that it is clear that he didn't need Cortez' help to win this fight. It is ironic.

    Floyd showed us that as a welterweight, he has the power and the courage to be something I thought I would never hear myself say...gritty. There's your credit, Dios. Hatton has nothing to be ashamed of. He did move up in weight to take a fight with the number one pound for pound king. The fact that he lost by knockout is a testament to his relentlessness. If he had to lose, then this is the way he should have lost. Now he has the chance to show the world what it means to get off the canvas and come back...something true champions have shown throughout the history of boxing.

    Devoted Mayweatherites assume Floyd is already an All Time Great (ATG). I say he is now standing in the doorstep. There is a big difference between being Hall of Fame and being an ATG. The greats, with notable exceptions, usually earn the status by cleaning out their natural divisions. I'm prepared to accept Floyd as an exception because of his undefeated record. Nevertheless, there is another undefeated welterweight champion that must first be dealt with...Miguel Cotto. It just so happens that Cotto, while a few steps behind Floyd, is ****ing on history's door himself. We cannot have two at the same time in the same weight class. There can only be one. Roberto Duran wouldn't stand for it. Ray Leonard wouldn't stand for it. Certainly, Marvin Hagler wouldn't stand for it. From his recent statements, Cotto isn't standing for it. And, most importantly, those who shape public perception won't stand for it either. Mayweather must take a fight with Cotto to fulfill his destiny. That's the reality of the situation.

    Could Mayweather go even further and become the next Sugar Ray Robinson? The answer is......YES. Yes, indeed he could. But, it's going to take alot more than what we have now. Status must be earned. I could envision a scenario where Floyd unifies the belts at welterweight and retires undefeated. Under that scenario, I think it's possible for a fighter with less than 50 fights to make a legitimate claim as the Greatest of All Time (GOAT). He would certainly be in the discussion.

    If Floyd retires at this point, he's leaving on the table a great opportunity to achieve something historical. Money May's career is now getting really interesting. His next decision will show us what he is truly about...money or history. Is he a businessman or is he a warrior?
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    Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
    Now that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has passed his latest test, ending with a devastating knockout of a very determined Ricky Hatton, Floyd must be re-evaluated. It was not long ago, in response to Dios Dominicano's inquiries, that I stated that if Floyd were to stand in and knock out Hatton, then due credit would be given. He did it. There are no legitimate excuses. Even the deplorably biased referee in charge, Joe Cortez, couldn't manufacture a knockout. While Joe Cortez' stern interference will be forever remembered to the detriment of his career, Floyd's performance was so outstanding that it is clear that he didn't need Cortez' help to win this fight. It is ironic.

    Floyd showed us that as a welterweight, he has the power and the courage to be something I thought I would never hear myself say...gritty. There's your credit, Dios. Hatton has nothing to be ashamed of. He did move up in weight to take a fight with the number one pound for pound king. The fact that he lost by knockout is a testament to his relentlessness. If he had to lose, then this is the way he should have lost. Now he has the chance to show the world what it means to get off the canvas and come back...something true champions have shown throughout the history of boxing.

    Devoted Mayweatherites assume Floyd is already an All Time Great (ATG). I say he is now standing in the doorstep. There is a big difference between being Hall of Fame and being an ATG. The greats, with notable exceptions, usually earn the status by cleaning out their natural divisions. I'm prepared to accept Floyd as an exception because of his undefeated record. Nevertheless, there is another undefeated welterweight champion that must first be dealt with...Miguel Cotto. It just so happens that Cotto, while a few steps behind Floyd, is ****ing on history's door himself. We cannot have two at the same time in the same weight class. There can only be one. Roberto Duran wouldn't stand for it. Ray Leonard wouldn't stand for it. Certainly, Marvin Hagler wouldn't stand for it. From his recent statements, Cotto isn't standing for it. And, most importantly, those who shape public perception won't stand for it either. Mayweather must take a fight with Cotto to fulfill his destiny. That's the reality of the situation.

    Could Mayweather go even further and become the next Sugar Ray Robinson? The answer is......YES. Yes, indeed he could. But, it's going to take alot more than what we have now. Status must be earned. I could envision a scenario where Floyd unifies the belts at welterweight and retires undefeated. Under that scenario, I think it's possible for a fighter with less than 50 fights to make a legitimate claim as the Greatest of All Time (GOAT). He would certainly be in the discussion.

    If Floyd retires at this point, he's leaving on the table a great opportunity to achieve something historical. Money May's career is now getting really interesting. His next decision will show us what he is truly about...money or history. Is he a businessman or is he a warrior?
    Floyd just made 30 million dollars against Hatton he aint going nowhere.

    I personally think a fight with Shane or Maragrito is next then a fight with Cotto.

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    • RodBarker
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      Well thought out post Wiley ,,except for the weight , Hatton stepped in at 151 and Floyd was 149 ,, the welter title this fight was at , was only welter on paper not in the ring ,,, Floyd is a genuine jnr welter fighting above his best weight for the better name rivals and more lucrative paydays they bring .

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      • wmute
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        #4
        Originally posted by RodBarker
        Well thought out post Wiley ,,except for the weight , Hatton stepped in at 151 and Floyd was 149 ,, the welter title this fight was at , was only welter on paper not in the ring ,,, Floyd is a genuine jnr welter fighting above his best weight for the better name rivals and more lucrative paydays they bring .
        are you positive about the weights? I was pretty sure Hatton was heavier just by looking at them at the weigh in and on fight night, but I never got the exact weights. Where did you get them?

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        • Azteca
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          wmute, Hatton weighed in at 145.

          I see no reason why people suggest he blew up after the fight.

          Why would he lost 2 pounds of unneeded weight, then? Doesn't make much sense.

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          • RodBarker
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            Originally posted by wmute
            are you positive about the weights? I was pretty sure Hatton was heavier just by looking at them at the weigh in and on fight night, but I never got the exact weights. Where did you get them?
            Ive been in a bunch of sites the last couple of days , Ill go and find the source , could turnout to be hear say but I believe it as it does go along with what Billy said he would weigh and his weigh-in weight was spot on to what Billy said it would be ,,, the point Im making is Floyd is not a welter by the true sense .

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            • RodBarker
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              Originally posted by Azteca
              wmute, Hatton weighed in at 145.

              I see no reason why people suggest he blew up after the fight.

              Why would he lost 2 pounds of unneeded weight, then? Doesn't make much sense.
              What blow up , its his natural prep before every fight , we are only talking fluid here dont forget that .

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              • Luciano
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                He should fight Paul Williams...who is better then anybody you mentioned.

                "Could Mayweather go even further and become the next Sugar Ray Robinson? The answer is......YES. Yes, indeed he could. But, it's going to take alot more than what we have now. Status must be earned. I could envision a scenario where Floyd unifies the belts at welterweight and retires undefeated. Under that scenario, I think it's possible for a fighter with less than 50 fights to make a legitimate claim as the Greatest of All Time (GOAT). He would certainly be in the discussion."

                What a joke. He will never be in the same league as Ray Robinson, who fought the best at ridiculous weights like 175. Maybe next time do some research.

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                • VIVA MEXICO!!!
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                  mayweather is nothing but a businessman. he dont care about legacy or he would have fought the best in there prime and really challenged himself.

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                  • DIOS DOMINICANO
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
                    Now that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has passed his latest test, ending with a devastating knockout of a very determined Ricky Hatton, Floyd must be re-evaluated. It was not long ago, in response to Dios Dominicano's inquiries, that I stated that if Floyd were to stand in and knock out Hatton, then due credit would be given. He did it. There are no legitimate excuses. Even the deplorably biased referee in charge, Joe Cortez, couldn't manufacture a knockout. While Joe Cortez' stern interference will be forever remembered to the detriment of his career, Floyd's performance was so outstanding that it is clear that he didn't need Cortez' help to win this fight. It is ironic.

                    Floyd showed us that as a welterweight, he has the power and the courage to be something I thought I would never hear myself say...gritty. There's your credit, Dios. Hatton has nothing to be ashamed of. He did move up in weight to take a fight with the number one pound for pound king. The fact that he lost by knockout is a testament to his relentlessness. If he had to lose, then this is the way he should have lost. Now he has the chance to show the world what it means to get off the canvas and come back...something true champions have shown throughout the history of boxing.

                    Devoted Mayweatherites assume Floyd is already an All Time Great (ATG). I say he is now standing in the doorstep. There is a big difference between being Hall of Fame and being an ATG. The greats, with notable exceptions, usually earn the status by cleaning out their natural divisions.

                    1) Wiley, you are manning up and I respect you for that. I know this kinda stings. But as I promised, I am not elevating Mayweather for this win. I said that he needed to stop Hatton in dramatic fashion, and all he did was validate what I already knew he was. And what I already knew Hatton was.

                    2) I'm baffled as to why people didn't see this. There are smarter (yes, I admit it) boxing people on this site than I am. Yet, some of those folks saw this as a pick 'em fight, or saw a tough decision for Mayweather. I MUST ASK: what did you folks see in Hatton that I clearly did not? Why were you bamboozled by the Castillo fight instead of using the preponderance of the evidence from all his previous fights?

                    3) I went on YouTube, and all of the Hatton fans are saying that it is "no shame to lose to one of the greatest fighters ever". Wait. He was a ***** ***** dancer mayrunner on 12/7. Then on 12/9 he's on the shortlist for GOAT?

                    4) Why did you guys ignore the fact that Floyd had PUNISHED the 140 class? I know that it wasn't exactly Murderer's Row. But Floyd put some serious hurt in the Corley/Bruseles/Gatti/Sharmba/Judah run. Those are guys his own size. Instead, he was being judged by Baldo/Oscar. That was unfair. In retrospect, I believe you agree.

                    5) All-time greats DO NOT necessarily clean out divisions. Especially in the modern era. In fact, it is the rarer occasion where a guy cleaned out a division. Floyd needs to be judged by a different criteria because he moved through all those weight classes. Is there any doubt in your mind that Floyd would have beaten everybody at LW? He could have stayed there. Mayweatehr-Freitas...who ya got? Mayweather-Casamayor....who ya got? There was nobody else.

                    I just don't think it is reasonable to expect FMJ to go cleaning out the WW division. He isn't gonna have many more fights.

                    6) Admit it , people. HBO's 24/7 program sold you on Hatton. All that insane bagwork and his 'confidence' made you into a Hatton Believer. You bought the bull****.

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