Is Floyd Mayweather A Top 5 Talent?

[AntonTheMeh]

Not even close. Consider the landscape of all time greats....

"Sugar" Ray Robinson
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Sandy Sadler
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
Jack Johnson
Benny Leonard
Jack Dempsey
Sam Langford
George Foreman
"Sugar" Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Harry Greb
Archie Moore
Stanley Ketchel
Gene Tunney
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Frazier
Jake LaMotta
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker

The list goes on and on. There's no doubt in my mind that Mayweather makes the top 100 somewhere, but nowhere near the top 5, top 10, or even top 20 IMO.

IN TERMS OF SKILLS YOU COULD ARGUE THE ONES IN BOLD EVERYBODY else nope.

[ßringer]

He did say based on accomplishments. He said based on talent. So you feel all those people and more are more talented than PBF?

His post has been edited I believe, or I must've not read it fully because when I replied it simply asked if he was a top 5 ATG. And I gave my answer.

In terms of talent, I'd still say no, but he's top 10.

My top 5 most talented ever would be....

Ray Robinson
Willie Pep
Ray Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Muhammad Ali.

[AntonTheMeh]

How ironic that the poll is almost a dead heat right now. Considering most of the people voting are either fans new to the sport, or teenage Mayweather lovers. Brush up on some history guys, Mayweather is an all time great but he's not even top 20, let alone 5.

bringer bringer bringer,
this has nothing to do with acomplishments,i mean talent,his skills.

[Sweet Pete]

Not even close. Consider the landscape of all time greats....

"Sugar" Ray Robinson
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Sandy Sadler
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
Jack Johnson
Benny Leonard
Jack Dempsey
Sam Langford
George Foreman
"Sugar" Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Harry Greb
Archie Moore
Stanley Ketchel
Gene Tunney
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Frazier
Jake LaMotta
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker

The list goes on and on. There's no doubt in my mind that Mayweather makes the top 100 somewhere, but nowhere near the top 5, top 10, or even top 20 IMO.

Though I agree that Mayweather is not a top 5 talent, this question was about talent, either natural talent or skill, and someone like Marciano is definitely neither more talented or more skilled. Same applies with quite a few of those guys.

[AntonTheMeh]

His post has been edited I believe, or I must've not read it fully because when I replied it simply asked if he was a top 5 ATG. And I gave my answer.

In terms of talent, I'd still say no, but he's top 10.

My top 5 most talented ever would be....

Ray Robinson
Willie Pep
Ray Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Muhammad Ali.

my apologies.i meant skills.i wouldn't argue with your top 5.

[Sweet Pete]

IN TERMS OF SKILLS YOU COULD ARGUE THE ONES IN BOLD EVERYBODY else nope.

Tommy Hearns and Harry Greb could also be considered, though Greb will be written off at once no doubt. Hearns was the hardest fighter to outbox of anyone I've seen.

[ßringer]

my apologies.i meant skills.i wouldn't argue with your top 5.

It's no problem. When I initially hit "quick reply" the question was simply, is he an top 5 ATG. I gave my answer on that. Then it was edited to mean in terms of skill, and I've given my answer on that as well.

Mayweather would be #7 in terms of ATG skill level. Jones Jr is 6.

[Ironside]

IN TERMS OF SKILLS YOU COULD ARGUE THE ONES IN BOLD EVERYBODY else nope.

You gotta be kidding me. How is Joe Louis, Marvin Hagler, Marciano, or Foreman any less talented than Mayweather? And I'm only naming a few from that list to see exactly how you measure talent. Going with an attack mentality takes just as much talent as being defensive. You only bolded defensive fighters that could have the talent PBF has, maybe it's a coincidence but I don't think so.

[AntonTheMeh]

It's no problem. When I initially hit "quick reply" the question was simply, is he an top 5 ATG. I gave my answer on that. Then it was edited to mean in terms of skill, and I've given my answer on that as well.

Mayweather ot be would be #7 in terms of ATG skill level. Jones Jr is 6.

that's fair enough.

[Sweet Pete]

You gotta be kidding me. How is Joe Louis, Marvin Hagler, Marciano, or Foreman any less talented than Mayweather? And I'm only naming a few from that list to see exactly how you measure talent. Going with an attack mentality takes just as much talent as being defensive. You only bolded defensive fighters that could have the talent PBF has, maybe it's a coincidence but I don't think so.

It's true that his definition of talented is rather thin, but Marciano is one who made more of a living off heart, stamina, and relentlessness than natural talent or technique.