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**AntonTheMeh** · 11-24-2007, 09:33 PM

it's
vernon
quartey
spinks
judah
and a ?
trinidad?
yeah it sucks.

**Fozz1** · 11-25-2007, 05:37 AM

im must have missed it - did floyd drop the belt he won from dlh

**crillz** · 11-25-2007, 05:43 AM

to me I see it as..

Vernon Forrest
Cory Spinks
Joachim Alcine
Sergeii Dzindziruk
Oscar De La Hoya

..truth be told I don't think Oscar deserves to be in the top 5 because he's no longer a champion, a smaller Welterweight outboxed him in a fight where he had ALL advantages and he has no intention of even staying at 154, I only put him because all I was doing was rearranging the names that were listed in the created thread from the Fighthype.com site.. 100

**THe TRiNiTY** · 11-25-2007, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Fozz1

im must have missed it - did floyd drop the belt he won from dlh

Yes.

Spinks.. Karmazim.. De La Hoya (who's not there for long).. Forrest. It's not that bad of a division.

**THe TRiNiTY** · 11-25-2007, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by crillz

to me I see it as..

Vernon Forrest
Cory Spinks
Joachim Alcine
Sergeii Dzindziruk
Oscar De La Hoya

..truth be told I don't think Oscar deserves to be in the top 5 because he's no longer a champion, a smaller Welterweight outboxed him in a fight where he had ALL advantages and he has no intention of even staying at 154, I only put him because all I was doing was rearranging the names that were listed in the created thread from the Fighthype.com site.. 100

He had speed, youth and stamina over Mayweather?

**crillz** · 11-25-2007, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by C-Drone

He had speed, youth and stamina over Mayweather?

maybe not youth but Mayweather's speed was deterred, he wasn't as fast in that fight and found himself in predicaments where he couldn't just bail, if it wasn't for his EXCELLENT defense he would have been chewed up on them ropes with the way Oscar was pressuring him, he had to pull a Judah and frustrate Oscar to **** him up in the mind, only thing he had was youth but Bernard Hopkins proved at 39 to Oscars 31 that youth doesn't exactly play the biggest part in a fight, Oscar's 'youth" excuse was immediately negated due to his fight with his co-worker.. they both had great stamina to go 12 rounds, I'm not saying Oscar wasn't winded because expending so many shots on places where they weren't landing isn't exactly good for your stamina BUT he went 12 and by the looks of things he was still composed enough he was just VERY confused and couldn't do much more than just pound away with shots that weren't winning him any rounds...

my original advantage comment was really referring to his height, strength, weight, experience and even the crowd, if Mayweather wasn't so ****ing great the crowd would have dug into his head, it was clearly an Oscar crowd and it didn't phase Floyd, it's a well known fact that Floyd Mayweather overcame the odds in that fight.. 100

**THe TRiNiTY** · 11-25-2007, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by crillz

maybe not youth but Mayweather's speed was deterred, he wasn't as fast in that fight and found himself in predicaments where he couldn't just bail, if it wasn't for his EXCELLENT defense he would have been chewed up on them ropes with the way Oscar was pressuring him, he had to pull a Judah and frustrate Oscar to **** him up in the mind, only thing he had was youth but Bernard Hopkins proved at 39 to Oscars 31 that youth doesn't exactly play the biggest part in a fight, Oscar's 'youth" excuse was immediately negated due to his fight with his co-worker.. they both had great stamina to go 12 rounds, I'm not saying Oscar wasn't winded because expending so many shots on places where they weren't landing isn't exactly good for your stamina BUT he went 12 and by the looks of things he was still composed enough he was just VERY confused and couldn't do much more than just pound away with shots that weren't winning him any rounds...

my original advantage comment was really referring to his height, strength, weight, experience and even the crowd, if Mayweather wasn't so ****ing great the crowd would have dug into his head, it was clearly an Oscar crowd and it didn't phase Floyd, it's a well known fact that Floyd Mayweather overcame the odds in that fight.. 100

I know what you were going at. However, you said ALL, and made an effort to put emphasis on the word. That's just untrue. That's all I was saying.

**crillz** · 11-25-2007, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by C-Drone

I know what you were going at. However, you said ALL, and made an effort to put emphasis on the word. That's just untrue. That's all I was saying.

he DID though, think about it homie when Floyd moved up he gave up his speed advantages, his style is skillful but Oscar is no dummy neither, he may not be AS skilled but that doesn't qualify as an advantage, Oscar had the right tools but due to Floyd's head games and just overall ****ing around leading up to the fight he instilled this THING in Oscar's head to try a hurt him, it caused him to abandon his jab, something he went on record to say he needs to win and actually got it ready for the fight but with Floyd sticking his tounge out and basically fighting such a reserved fight it drove Oscar crazy, all plans went out the window Oscar just went into hurt mode which didn't work, still no advantage there just smarts..

Floyd gave up all his Physical advantages, he gave up height, reach, weight, power and even speed if you want to get technical, Oscar was already comfortable at SMW, his speed was already set as opposed to Floyd who had to find his rhythm and stick to fighting that reserved kind of fight, factor in the pressure plus the size then all you would see is Floyd throwing 1 and 2 on the inside as counter punches but unless there was a CLEAR punch he couldn't take the offense, he never initiated a exchange unless he was trying to escape a corner.. against a dude like Judah he COULD sit there and trade and initiate because he knew that although Judah could make him pay and might be faster that he could maneuver with his defense and combine his offense, notice how Floyd was on some pop shot **** all night, that and counter punches, there was never any instance where he tried to do anything more, it was because even HE knew all advantages were on Oscar's favor, they BOTH had it in them to go 12 so stamina was not a factor and the speed was evened out with the weight increase and Oscar ALREADY being comfortable there, it was an against ALL odds fight for Floyd and thats something even HE can tell you.. 100

**THe TRiNiTY** · 11-25-2007, 06:20 AM

MAYBE Mayweather was slower.. but not slower than De La Hoya. That ALONE debunks the "ALL" in your argument. He didn't have youth. His stamina, once again, he faded near the 10th. Mayweather didn't. mayweather, you said yourself, had the better defensive. De la hoya had big fight experience, power, body work, so on and so forth, bigger guy, naturally. That's not ALL though, obviously.

You said ALL, and he DIDN'T. He had more of an advantage that Mayweather, perhaps.. but not EVERYTHING was in his favor. It just wasn't.

********* ranks the SuperWelter Weights