Cotto vs. "high volume punchers"

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  • raysan
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    #51
    Originally posted by Matt Marvelous
    Paul Williams punches harder than a lot of clowns give him credit for. His uppercut is particularly devastating. Cotto's biggest weakness is his open-ness to be hit by an uppercut. It's ignorant to say that Cotto, who's chin is much weaker than Margarito's, would "walk through" his punches. They kept Margarito at bay until he got desperate and Paul got a little tired. Cotto would get rocked by Williams' shots, no doubt. It's the accumulation that would get him, though. He can't handle Paul Williams.
    Now dont overrate his power now. Paul Williams landed flush shots on Matthyse all night and didnt get him out of there till the like eleventh, while Cintron put him to sleep with one his first shots that hit him. Margarito was more frustrated than kept at bay. Youre going to back Williams regardless of what i say, but bottom line is, he is the weakest of the champions. Cotto being rocked at 140 is irrelevant to him at 147 its not like he has a glass jaw. Zab's one punch power is greater than Paul's so getting hit flush by Zab and just being rocked not knocked down is nothing to be dissapointed about.

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    • Matt Marvelous
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      #52
      Originally posted by raysan
      Now dont overrate his power now. Paul Williams landed flush shots on Matthyse all night and didnt get him out of there till the like eleventh, while Cintron put him to sleep with one his first shots that hit him. Margarito was more frustrated than kept at bay. Youre going to back Williams regardless of what i say, but bottom line is, he is the weakest of the champions. Cotto being rocked at 140 is irrelevant to him at 147 its not like he has a glass jaw. Zab's one punch power is greater than Paul's so getting hit flush by Zab and just being rocked not knocked down is nothing to be dissapointed about.

      Matthyse was ruined by the time Williams was done with him. I never said Paul would knock Cotto out in one shot, just that he CAN punch harder than guys like you give him credit for. When he sits down, those slingshot hooks are stinging. His great KO ratio is proof enough. He's more likely to sit down in spots against Cotto than a guy like Margarito. Cotto is much easier to hurt. Weakest of the champions? No, he's better than Cotto. Cotto can't outbox him. Williams' height forces Cotto to fight inside. His only hope is to break his body down, which he can't do while being blasted with angled uppercuts and fast hook combinations. Williams is an excellent inside worker for being so tall, and his ranged game is just as strong. Plus, I say his chin is tougher based on the Margarito fight. Miguel can't beat Paul Williams unless he hurts his body. Because of that, he opens up a world of opportunities for Paul to punish him. Think the first round of the Judah fight, only it will happen slowly and MUCH more often. Paul doesn't turn into a clam when he gets hit, he fights back harder. He would outwork Cotto 4-1. There's no way Cotto can overcome what Williams presents.

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      • squealpiggy
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        #53
        My personal feeling is that as Cotto starts fairly slow then a volume punching fighter with good mobility can capitalise and build up a lead in the first four rounds. If the fighter goes to the body early they can take some of the power off Cotto's shots for the duration of the fight and push the fight at pace throughout.

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        • tredh
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          #54
          A lot you all talk about a person walking through a person punches that **** isn't as easy as yall trying to make it seem like. A fighter may be able to take another fighters punches easy. But the fighter taking those punches rhythm gets broken and they are still chasing. If the fighter throwing those punches has good movement that completely throws the other fighter off. With that good movement more times than not by the time the fighter walking through the punches is set up and ready throw their own the other fighter has moved and they have to chase and try to reset their feet again.
          Yes they usually catch the other fighter a few times through the fight but walking through punches ain't as easy as yall making it out to be.

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          • pesticid
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            #55
            I used to think that Margarito beats him. I still think it's somewhat of a toss-up fight but then I remember Sebastian Lujan against Tony on ESPN and he was giving Margarito hell in the first 6 rounds. Now you can somewhat compare the Argentinian's size and style to Cotto but Cotto is one or two levels above him.

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            • MaFu MoFo
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              #56
              Originally posted by Matt Marvelous
              Matthyse was ruined by the time Williams was done with him...

              Dude, I don't remember Paul Williams ripping Mathesse's head with an uppercut and a devastating right straight punch THAT LEFT THE MOFO ON THE MATT FOR 5 MINUTES. Kermit "The Killer" Cintro was the one to ruin Mathesse's career. You are delusional when it comes to Paul Williams...

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              • AntonTheMeh
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                #57
                Originally posted by squealpiggy
                My personal feeling is that as Cotto starts fairly slow then a volume punching fighter with good mobility can capitalise and build up a lead in the first four rounds. If the fighter goes to the body early they can take some of the power off Cotto's shots for the duration of the fight and push the fight at pace throughout.
                cotto isn't the slowest starter in the world,these guys at welter aren't tyson either.

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                • AntonTheMeh
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by pesticid
                  I used to think that Margarito beats him. I still think it's somewhat of a toss-up fight but then I remember Sebastian Lujan against Tony on ESPN and he was giving Margarito hell in the first 6 rounds. Now you can somewhat compare the Argentinian's size and style to Cotto but Cotto is one or two levels above him.
                  i'd say three levels.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by ANTONIM

                    the man figures out a way to win,every time.what a ****ing joke.
                    yeah word, Cotto adapts extremely well

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