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    There are many fights and happenings throughout history that just there mere mention of them will instantly put a specific image, based on what the legend says, in a persons mind. For example, whenever I heard someone mention the Sugar Ray Robinson-Joey Maxim fight I automatically imagine the ring being literally like a furnace that night. So unbearably hot that the great Sugar Ray could hardly stand up during the latter parts of the fight yet he endured that terrible heat until he finally collapsed late in the fight.

    Or I hear someone mention the 1951 middleweight title fight between Ray and Jake Lamotta -The St. Valentines Day Massacre- and my mind automatically goes the last few seconds of the fight, as portrayed in articles as well as in the movie "Raging Bull," where Robinson has Lamotta pinned against the ropes and gives him what is projected to be an absolutely horrific beating. The portrayal of it in the movie was particularly gruesome and almost made the ROCKY movies seem tame by comparison. I recently saw an old clip of that fight, though, and I paid close attention to the final sequence and while it was in fact a one sided thrashing it also lasted about one-tenth as long as I was always led to believe and by comparison, really, it wasn't nearly as vicious to me as the ending if the 1991 Ray Mercer-Tommy Morrison fight.

    Sometimes history and its story tellers paint pictures that aren't quite as accurate as the real thing actually was and legends can grow bigger each time the story is told.

    So, in regard to the 1974 Muhammad Ali vs. George Foreman fight, "The Rumble in the Jungle," I have always been led to believe from what I have read in books and magazines, been under the impression that Ali was taking a huge beating from Foreman and that it was just a case where Foreman, while way ahead on points, wore himself out and got stopped in an amazing turn around by "The Greatest" but after watching that fight in tape recently for the eighth or ninth time it is obvious to me that Ali was landing the better shots throughout the fight, picked his shots better and set Foreman up for the stoppage win. During the break between rounds four and five they interviewed someone (I'm not sure who) on the microphone at ringside and he said something like "Ali looks good in there, looks the fresher of the two men, and I think somewhere in the next four rounds he will get his man out of there."

    If it was apparent to that guy so early in the fight then I am sure it was apparent to a lot of other people, too.

  • #2
    I never heard it like that. It was incredible because people assumed Ali was going to his death. People literally thought Foreman would kill what most people considered a washed up Ali.

    As a fighter yourself ICE, Im sure you can attest to the fact that, blocked or not, those Forman punches hurt.

    To me, that is the best fight in history. There is no better display of ring generalship. Ali completely mind ****ed George Foreman. He controlled him while letting him unload his best shots, let him think he was winning, whispered in his ear, he broke him down mentally, then he broke him down physically.

    It was beautiful. The calm under fire. It kinda reminds me of that little dude standing in front of the tank, refusing to yield. One old man halted the tank that was Foreman with his mind.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shawn_ View Post
      I never heard it like that. It was incredible because people assumed Ali was going to his death. People literally thought Foreman would kill what most people considered a washed up Ali.

      As a fighter yourself ICE, Im sure you can attest to the fact that, blocked or not, those Forman punches hurt.

      To me, that is the best fight in history. There is no better display of ring generalship. Ali completely mind ****ed George Foreman. He controlled him while letting him unload his best shots, let him think he was winning, whispered in his ear, he broke him down mentally, then he broke him down physically.

      It was beautiful. The calm under fire. It kinda reminds me of that little dude standing in front of the tank, refusing to yield. One old man halted the tank that was Foreman with his mind.
      I hardly consider Ali old at that point, as he was only 32 and had that few year break from boxing after dodging the draft, but it was a masterful performance, nonetheless.

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      • #4
        he was 34.

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        • #5
          Ah vindication, you and I got into a huge argument about exactly what you wrote about, ali-forman, except back then you had opposite view. Just though I'd giving you a hard time ice, nice post

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          • #6
            Originally posted by shawn_ View Post
            he was 34.
            Sorry buddy, Ali was born in 1942 and the fight was in 1974, you do the math.

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            • #7
              I was wrong.

              He was 32, but that does not change the fact that Ali was written off. 32 was old for a fighter in 1974.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shawn_ View Post
                I was wrong.

                He was 32, but that does not change the fact that Ali was written off. 32 was old for a fighter in 1974.
                Jack Johnson was champ at 37, Joe Walcott at 37, Archie Moore at 44, Joe Louis at 34. But, having been beaten by Joe Frazier, and given the way George demolished Frazier, a lot of people thought George would beat Ali.

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                • #9
                  If compubox were available back then, it would've revealed that while Foreman threw more punches than Ali, he connected at a much lower percentage and effective rate. Ali, on the other hand, picked his spots but landed the more telling blows and at a higher connect percentage rate.

                  The Rumble in the Jungle - RD.8

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                  • #10
                    Ali's exile probably seemed like an eternity, and upon his return he didn't fight like himself. Couple that with the clear loss to Frazier (being hurt multiple times and dropped in the last round) and Foreman's punching power and I can see where the public might have thought he was going to an execution. I have watched tons of his fights from before and after the exile, and he did look much older in the fights after, even the ones he won. Foreman wasted himself in that fight because he bought into his own hype. He really didn't care where he hit you because he thought you would break down anyway. Ali was just a lot tougher than anyone gave him credit for. I do think that Foreman was winning the fight before it was stopped though.

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