Calzaghe: "He looked human for a change..."

[SkillspayBills]

Wiley you are a tad bit gullible budd, you tend to go back and forth on alot of issues and if you read an article taht cuonters this one you might go back to the other side of the spectrum when it comes to RJJ. Personally most of these articles are just a way to discredit fighters and what they do in the ring, they aren't called critics for no reason.

[Welter_Skelter]

Regardless of what any speculation may allude to, RJJ is light years ahead of JC in terms of legacy, there's no doubt about that. This will always be the general consensus and nothing will change this..

Hmm I seem to see many many people saying the opposite.. way too many for a general concenus..

You do know what a "general" concensus is right??

[ThaHorseman]

Well the facts presented in the article seem fairly obvious. Are you saying it should be ignored? Is that how you formulate your opinion? If so, then maybe it is your opinion that cannot be taken to seriously.

Please feel free to point out any FACTS that convinced you to change your opinion. The only FACT that I see regarding Jones and steroids is that he used them for one fight, which he admitted to thru his lawyer (via the article). Other than that, what facts are there that make you think his legacy is tainted. Please don't bother calling me a nuthugger because I'm not even a RJJ fan. I just don't feel the criticism is fair.

[ThaHorseman]

Hmm I seem to see many many people saying the opposite.. way too many for a general concenus..

You do know what a "general" concensus is right??

He probably doesn't. Ask him if he knows what a general consensus is and he might. Probably not a good idea to misspell words while questioning someone's intelligence.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Jones.
Mosley.
Lewis.
Tyson
Holyfield

....all on roids. And more....

Holyfield, Jones, Tony, Klitschscko, Vargas, Pazienza , Morrison and Mosley FOR SURE.

I have not seen compelling evidence that indicates Lewis or Tyson did.


I've been a hypocrite: I hold Mosley's steroids use against him....but am pretty forgiving of RJJ.

You guys need to admit your own hypocrisies.

[Wiley Hyena]

roy has defeated 15 former and current world champions in his career. and had over 22 title defenses

Jorge Castro (WBA middleweight champion)
Jorge Vaca (WBC welterweight champion)
Bernanrd Hopkins (IBF Middleweight Champion)
Thulani Malinga (WBC Super Middleweight Champion)
James Toney (IBF Super Middleweight Champion)
Vinnie Pazienza (WBA Light Middleweight Champion)
Eric Lucas (WBC Super Middleweight Champion)
Mike Mccallum (WBC Lightheavyweight Champion)
Virgil Hill (WBA Lightheavyweight Champion)
Lou De Valle (WBA Lightheavyweight Champion)
Otis Grant (WBO Middleweight Champion)
Reggie Johnson (IBF Lightheavyweight Champion)
Julio Gonzalez (WBO Lightheavyweight Champion)
Clinton Woods (IBF Lightheavy weight Champion)
John Ruiz (WBA Heavyweight Champion)
Antonio Tarver (WBC Lightheavyweight Champion)
Glenn Johnson (IBF Lightheavyweight Champion)


calzaghe is at 6 I believe

Brandish quote with Wiley's response in bold:

"roy has defeated 15 former and current world champions in his career. and had over 22 title defenses

Jorge Castro (WBA middleweight champion) ??
Jorge Vaca (WBC welterweight champion) ??
Bernanrd Hopkins (IBF Middleweight Champion) impressive
Thulani Malinga (WBC Super Middleweight Champion) ??
James Toney (IBF Super Middleweight Champion) impressive
Vinnie Pazienza (WBA Light Middleweight Champion) washed up
Eric Lucas (WBC Super Middleweight Champion) ??
Mike Mccallum (WBC Lightheavyweight Champion) respectable
Virgil Hill (WBA Lightheavyweight Champion) respectable
Lou De Valle (WBA Lightheavyweight Champion) ??
Otis Grant (WBO Middleweight Champion) ??
Reggie Johnson (IBF Lightheavyweight Champion) ??
Julio Gonzalez (WBO Lightheavyweight Champion) respectable
Clinton Woods (IBF Lightheavy weight Champion) respectable
John Ruiz (WBA Heavyweight Champion) respectable only because HW
Antonio Tarver (WBC Lightheavyweight Champion) respectable
Glenn Johnson (IBF Lightheavyweight Champion) Jones lost


calzaghe is at 6 I believe"

[Wiley Hyena]

Wiley you are a tad bit gullible budd, you tend to go back and forth on alot of issues and if you read an article taht cuonters this one you might go back to the other side of the spectrum when it comes to RJJ. Personally most of these articles are just a way to discredit fighters and what they do in the ring, they aren't called critics for no reason.

It's beyond being "critical" when Jones has admitted through his lawyer that he used steriods, even if it regards one fight in 2000. That begs the question: What other fights was he using steroids for?

A cheater is a cheater is a cheater.

Before today, I'd never seen anything but rank speculation about Roy's use of steroids. Today, I've seen proof that he cheated.

YES, my opinion of RJJ has been changed forever.

[Welter_Skelter]

He probably doesn't. Ask him if he knows what a general consensus is and he might. Probably not a good idea to misspell words while questioning someone's intelligence.

I dont really give a sweet **** if I mispell words or use poor grammar.. There is a huge difference between intelligence ,common sense and academics..

I am not in English class.. And you Sir are not an English teacher.. and if you are.. I am not one of your students

SO unless you have a Boxing related subject you wish to discuss with me.. This being a Boxing forum...

Then seriously STFU.. I will shame you, you witless inbred

[Wiley Hyena]

I dont really give a sweet **** if I mispell words or use poor grammar.. There is a huge difference between intelligence ,common sense and academics..

I am not in English class.. And you Sir are not an English teacher.. and if you are.. I am not one of your students

SO unless you have a Boxing related subject you wish to discuss with me.. This being a Boxing forum...

Then seriously STFU.. I will shame you, you witless inbred

..............lol...............

[ThaHorseman]

I dont really give a sweet **** if I mispell words or use poor grammar.. There is a huge difference between intelligence ,common sense and academics..

I am not in English class.. And you Sir are not an English teacher.. and if you are.. I am not one of your students

SO unless you have a Boxing related subject you wish to discuss with me.. This being a Boxing forum...

Then seriously STFU.. I will shame you, you witless inbred

Awww thats cute. I'm sorry, but I try not to resort to getting into personal attacks over the internet with people who I'll never see. Its actually sad that my comments have that much of an impact on your life.