NSB'ers....is DIOS missing brain cells?

[shawn_]

Dios, hes a bottom. He says he likes Manny on top.

PS.

STOP DUCKING ME!

[Azteca]

Azteca,

I have told you before. You view conversation as a competitive endeavour, and not an opportunity to teach and learn.

Thus your mind is closed to new ideas.
You create a thread about me, and end your post with a bunch of "owned" flags. How gay is that? Think about it.



The reality is that there are no fewer "stars" today than there were in the 80's.

For every "star" you name me in the 80's, I will give you his analog today.

The thread title was an attention getter.

And is that the best you got? You didn't even provide me with a rebuttal. I like to talk boxing with you but sometimes it is like smashing my head up against as awall.

The reality is that you had nothing to say. You were speechless.

I take that as a win on my part. I exposed your lack of intelligence in certain areas.

Mission accomplished me thinks.

Now provide me with a damn rebuttal.

And stop ducking shawn.

[Wiley Hyena]

I mean all his talk about PPV revenue and all that crap. Floyd is prospering the sport because of PPV sales. Yeah.....right.

But what he fails to mention is the total lack of stars we have today. The lack of stars the last 15 years since PPV domination and lack of marketing is totally pathetic.

Boxing killed itself and is still killing itself with the casual fan years ago by totally selling out the casual fan by putting everything on pay per view and getting away from network TV.

Without new talent a sport withers and dies. And that's exactly what's happening to boxing. In other words, no new stars & boxing twists in the wind as it slowly strangles to death.

How long can we continue to watch retreads from the '90's? & in the cases of Holyfield, Jones and Toney we are talkin' fighters from the '80's!

Here Dios...here's some business dynamics for ya.

Big fights are fought by famous fighters. Famous fighters become famous by exposure. Exposure comes from TV. Exposure comes from large TV audience outlets. Those outlets are networks and major cable providers. Fighters are no longer on networks. Few fighters are on major cable providers. Few fighters therefore are famous BEFORE they fight in big fights. Big Fights thus are often many people's first exposure to these 'famous guys'. Analogies to the fighters people DID see become famous are thus difficult. Thus, the continuity between the sport and its history is very weak and blurry.

When someone sees a star now, he has invested nothing in that fighter's coming up the ranks and often will be exposed to him at the tail end of his career, or while fighting bouts that have to be paid for..and without the investment in the fighter, fewer people will pay to be introduced.

Thoughts on this, guys??

Oh, and

There's a valid point made in this thread. Yes, network TV would increase exposure of young boxers. Kelly Pavlik would have undoubtedly landed in the big time at an earlier date if the premium cable channels did not have such a monopoly on boxing (Versus, HD Net and a few obscure cable channels are exceptions). However, "commercialism" by itself is not the worst of it. Boxing will always be tied to "commercialism."

The problem with boxing in the last 20 years or so is the "businessman first" mentality. Tyson ushered the era in when he discovered that he could make millions by destroying tomato cans instead of fighting true quality competition. Roy Jones, Jr. refined this strategy and therefore we got 9 years of tomato cans after he established himself with the Toney win. Floyd has adopted this strategy in his own way. Once superstar status is achieved, then no risk is worth taking that truly threatens the gravy train called "superstar status." In today's enviroment, a "superstar" can fight just about anybody and make millions. Thus, a great boxer like Joe Calzaghe will languish, while the designated media "superstar" will continue on his merry way. Professional boxing accomodates the "superstar" with multiple belts and interspersed super and junior divisions in order provide more championships to fight for without having to knock each other off. Thus, instead of hanging around to fight the formidable Kostya Tszyu, Floyd can move up 5 pounds and claim another belt. Superstar status is maintained.

However, there is a downside to this cynical mentality. The public eventually becomes wise to it and this loss of interest is complicated by the fact that the "championship" is no longer special because there are so many belts in each division. These days, it's downright confusing to identify just who the true champion is to Joe 6 pack.

But, the good news is that the new breed of fighter is starting to lose out to the old breed where fighters fight for the right to truly call themselves #1. The public will respond to this by increased interest and this is a positive thing that's good for boxing. Pavlik has made big steps in this direction by making it clear he will fight the best and do it with alarming aggression. The passage of time finally revealed Calzaghe's greatness and in so doing further exposed the businessmen. With the demise of Floyd, a new page in boxing will have been turned (Roy is just about done, Bernard is just about done, and Tyson is done)(there have been others, but these sacred cows must be specifically mentioned). This is yet another reason why a Hatton victory is so desired.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

The thread title was an attention getter.

And is that the best you got? You didn't even provide me with a rebuttal. I like to talk boxing with you but sometimes it is like smashing my head up against as awall.

The reality is that you had nothing to say. You were speechless.

I take that as a win on my part. I exposed your lack of intelligence in certain areas.

Mission accomplished me thinks.

Now provide me with a damn rebuttal.

And stop ducking shawn.

Did you read my post? Conversation. Not competition.

But here is your rebuttal.

Oscar Delahoya was #2 on the list of highest paid athletes.

The fight in May was the biggest in the history of the sport.

You can find boxing on TV twice a week.

There have been THREE boxing reality shows on TV this year.

The best boxer was on a TV show watched by 20 million people.

Oscar/Floyd was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. When's the last time a boxer got an SI cover?

FMJ was on the cover of ESPN Magazine

FMJ was on MTV Cribs.

Showtime has just EXPANDED their boxing franchise.

Boxers are now promoting themselves/ each other

The safety measure seem to be improving the sport.

There are marketable fighters in several weight classes.

The whole "Tyson thing" is finally behind us.


All of these things are positive trends going on in the sport.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Thus, instead of hanging around to fight the formidable Kostya Tszyu, Floyd can move up 5 pounds and claim another belt. Superstar status is maintained.
.

Wiley,

What responsibility do you assign to Tszyu for fighting an old Leija, etc instead of trying to avenge brutal loss. Is that "a business decision"?


Because, as much as you criticize Floyd's record, his resume far exceeds "the formidable Tszyu".

What are you saying about Tszyu's decisions?

[joepal]

Yeah, Ex.

We are dumb because we don't worship other men's bodies.

Aren't you the biggest Floyd nuthugger in NSB?

[joepal]

There's a valid point made in this thread. Yes, network TV would increase exposure of young boxers. Kelly Pavlik would have undoubtedly landed in the big time at an earlier date if the premium cable channels did not have such a monopoly on boxing (Versus, HD Net and a few obscure cable channels are exceptions). However, "commercialism" by itself is not the worst of it. Boxing will always be tied to "commercialism."

The problem with boxing in the last 20 years or so is the "businessman first" mentality. Tyson ushered the era in when he discovered that he could make millions by destroying tomato cans instead of fighting true quality competition. Roy Jones, Jr. refined this strategy and therefore we got 9 years of tomato cans after he established himself with the Toney win. Floyd has adopted this strategy in his own way. Once superstar status is achieved, then no risk is worth taking that truly threatens the gravy train called "superstar status." In today's enviroment, a "superstar" can fight just about anybody and make millions. Thus, a great boxer like Joe Calzaghe will languish, while the designated media "superstar" will continue on his merry way. Professional boxing accomodates the "superstar" with multiple belts and interspersed super and junior divisions in order provide more championships to fight for without having to knock each other off. Thus, instead of hanging around to fight the formidable Kostya Tszyu, Floyd can move up 5 pounds and claim another belt. Superstar status is maintained.

However, there is a downside to this cynical mentality. The public eventually becomes wise to it and this loss of interest is complicated by the fact that the "championship" is no longer special because there are so many belts in each division. These days, it's downright confusing to identify just who the true champion is to Joe 6 pack.

But, the good news is that the new breed of fighter is starting to lose out to the old breed where fighters fight for the right to truly call themselves #1. The public will respond to this by increased interest and this is a positive thing that's good for boxing. Pavlik has made big steps in this direction by making it clear he will fight the best and do it with alarming aggression. The passage of time finally revealed Calzaghe's greatness and in so doing further exposed the businessmen. With the demise of Floyd, a new page in boxing will have been turned (Roy is just about done, Bernard is just about done, and Tyson is done)(there have been others, but these sacred cows must be specifically mentioned). This is yet another reason why a Hatton victory is so desired.

Haha. DIOS OWNED. AGAIN!

[Fox McCloud]

Aren't you the biggest Floyd nuthugger in NSB?

Joey... **** you!

[WLAD OWNS]

Floyd reads this forum and Dios is on his payroll to constantly defend him at all costs. If Hatton beats Mayweather Dios will jump off the Empire State Building.

[Fox McCloud]

Haha. DIOS OWNED. AGAIN!

HAHA, JOEPAL, **** YOU *****, POST SOMETHING OF VALUE.