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    At there suggestion of several poster, I have transformed this post into its own thread.

    I really have trouble understanding the reasoning behind diminishing the OBVIOUS skills a fighter displays in the ring by criticizing his record. If Pernell Whitaker never destroyed Chavez, never fought McGirt, never humiliated Azumah Nelson, and never put on a clinic against Jose Louis Ramirez, he would STILL be Pernell Whitaker. He would STILL be one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, and he would STILL be an ATG fight.

    The same goes for Mikkel Kessler. It DOESNT matter who he has fought, he has skills. Watch his fights, they are there for everyone to see. You don't need to pick apart his record and why he hasn't fought anyone. 70% of you had not even heard of Kessler before talks about Calzaghe came about. Being good, and unknown is not exactly a recipe to getting the big name fight.

    Same goes for Calzaghe. If Roy Jones announced he was fighting Calzaghe back when he was at 168, most of you would have trashed Roy Jones for fighting an over protected paper champion (he wasn't even champ yet). Yet the same people are today criticizing Calzaghe for not having the exposure or the name to Make the big fights feasible earlier in his career.

    James Toney, the only fighter that would realistically take a fight against Calzaghe back when Calzaghe was an up and coming champion was fighting at Cruiserweight at the time Calzaghe won his title. CRUISERWEIGHT.

    Why didn't he fight with Bernard? Bernard was as big a Nobody as Calzaghe was in 1997. The man was a 3-1 underdog against a Felix Trinidad in 2001, his first true mainstream exposure. He was perfectly happy defending his alphabet belt and calling out Roy Jones.

    Do you know how long Roy Jones Stayed at 168? Two fights... in 1996, a year before the beginning of Calzaghes 1997 title reign. If you try to tell me Calzaghe had a chance in hell of getting a fight with Roy Jones, Id refer you to a doctor.

    Calzaghe is a GREAT fighter, who until recently, has not had the name to get big fights with big name fighters, thats it. He wasn't over protected, he wasn't ducking fighters, he was simply lacking in opportunities. Frank Warren or the general American opinion of British boxing didn't help matters either.

  • #2
    Which part confuses you?

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    • #3
      A completely sound, impenetrable argument, IMO.

      I think it's gonna be reeeeaal quiet in this thread. Lol..

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      • #4
        Yeah i think certain PEOPLEOS PEOPLEICANO will totally ignore this well put argument just as they did in the thread it was originally posted, in rebuttal to their argument.

        Obviously having an actual intellectual discussion isnt what they had in mind.

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        • #5
          LOL kselerella is teh reuo flag! lolz

          I suspect that Dios already had his disparagement worked out before the fight. Which is puzzling really, why go to such lengths?

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          • #6
            Logic and reason. Rare commodities on this forum.

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            • #7
              Shawn quote:

              "James Toney, the only fighter that would realistically take a fight against Calzaghe back when Calzaghe was an up and coming champion was fighting at Cruiserweight at the time Calzaghe won his title. CRUISERWEIGHT.

              Why didn't he fight with Bernard? Bernard was as big a Nobody as Calzaghe was in 1997. The man was a 3-1 underdog against a Felix Trinidad in 2001, his first true mainstream exposure. He was perfectly happy defending his alphabet belt and calling out Roy Jones.

              Do you know how long Roy Jones Stayed at 168? Two fights... in 1996, a year before the beginning of Calzaghes 1997 title reign. If you try to tell me Calzaghe had a chance in hell of getting a fight with Roy Jones, Id refer you to a doctor."


              THIS is extremely enlightening. It destroys all those that try to build up Roy Jones, Jr. at the expense of Joe Calzaghe. The fact is that it wasn't until 2006 before the Jones' camp made serious inquiries for a Jones - Calzaghe fight. There were offers made before that time to Hopkins and Jones, but they always demanded a deal breaking amount of money. Finally, time has managed to reveal the truth. Calzaghe was always for real and the boxing insiders always knew it. Thus, like Tszyu in his prime, the superstars stayed away from Calzaghe because he was considered too dangerous an opponent to go around risking superstar status on. It's starting to look like a cynical pattern isn't it? This is why boxing has suffered in the last 20 years. IT's been about being a businessman first, and a boxer second. But, we are real close to a new era in boxing where fighters come first for the benefit of the fans. If Ricky Hatton can complete the trick, a new page will have been turned.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wiley Hyena View Post
                Shawn quote:

                "James Toney, the only fighter that would realistically take a fight against Calzaghe back when Calzaghe was an up and coming champion was fighting at Cruiserweight at the time Calzaghe won his title. CRUISERWEIGHT.

                Why didn't he fight with Bernard? Bernard was as big a Nobody as Calzaghe was in 1997. The man was a 3-1 underdog against a Felix Trinidad in 2001, his first true mainstream exposure. He was perfectly happy defending his alphabet belt and calling out Roy Jones.

                Do you know how long Roy Jones Stayed at 168? Two fights... in 1996, a year before the beginning of Calzaghes 1997 title reign. If you try to tell me Calzaghe had a chance in hell of getting a fight with Roy Jones, Id refer you to a doctor."


                THIS is extremely enlightening. It destroys all those that try to build up Roy Jones, Jr. at the expense of Joe Calzaghe. The fact is that it wasn't until 2006 before the Jones' camp made serious inquiries for a Jones - Calzaghe. There were offers made before that time to Hopkins and Jones, but they always demanded a deal breaking amount of money. Finally, time has managed to reveal the truth. Calzaghe was always for real and the boxing insiders always knew it. Thus, like Tszyu in his prime, the superstars stayed away from Calzaghe because he was considered too dangerous an opponent to go around risking superstar status on. It's starting to look like a cynical pattern isn't it? This is why boxing has suffered in the last 20 years. IT's been about being a businessman first, and a boxer second. But, we are real close to a new era in boxing where fighters come first for the benefit of the fans. If Ricky Hatton can complete the trick, a new page will have been turned.
                Won't happen, but it's nice to hear your opinion.

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                • #9
                  Yep.

                  I especially like the first paragraph. Like I have said many times in the past. Once you get to top flight, skill level is equal, or close. What seperates these fighters is how prepared they are.

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                  • #10
                    This is not just a recent phenomena, Nicolino Locche was lowly regarded outside of his home country until he made a mockery of Antonio Cervantes late in his career, during his 118th fight (103-2-12).

                    Even still this wizard of the ring is unknown to most boxing fans. He simply did not have the name or recognition to make the big fights happen.

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