Which Fighters Stand On The Threshold Of ATG Status?

[C.Y.]

addison this is a good topic
but
all hatton has to do is beat floyd and he's an ATG
but
floyd has to beat hatton, cotto and or mosley, and someone else to secure ATG?

[joepal]

addison this is a good topic
but
all hatton has to do is beat floyd and he's an ATG
but
floyd has to beat hatton, cotto and or mosley, and someone else to secure ATG?

Who are you to question his thread when you can't even make a cotdamn paragraph?

Seriously, try to improve your writing. Texting-style writing won't cut it in here.

[C.Y.]

Who are you to question his thread when you can't even make a cotdamn paragraph?

Seriously, try to improve your writing. Texting-style writing won't cut it in here.

first off jackass I am a great writer.
texting style writing wont cut it in here??
you serious?
**** outta here this isn't a classroom

[Addison]

addison this is a good topic
but
all hatton has to do is beat floyd and he's an ATG
but
floyd has to beat hatton, cotto and or mosley, and someone else to secure ATG?

I appreciate that, and I understand where you're coming from.

Floyd Mayweather is the MAN. Azteca already gave his endorsement for Floyd as an ATG based on what he's already accomplished. Alot of people feel that way.

Another large group of people feel that Floyd must beat Jesus, Godzilla, and Bigfoot before they can even consider it. I'm somewhere in the middle.

I don't think he needs to do too much more honestly.. But Hatton is supposed to be an easy win for Floyd, Cotto is supposed to be overrated, and Mosley is supposed to be old. Mayweather himself is the #1 P4P fighter in the world and realistically at his absolute peak. For Floyd to beat each one of these guys wouldn't be as significant as any of them beating him individually. Especially with the little bit of tarnish each guy has..

Floyd's critics are HARSH and if he wants to shut them all down he may have to clean out ALL the names anywhere near his chosen weightclass to put an end to the criticism.

Floyd is after all supposed to beat every one of these guys.

People want to see him do it.. If he can.

[C.Y.]

I appreciate that, and I understand where you're coming from.

Floyd Mayweather is the MAN. Azteca already gave his endorsement for Floyd as an ATG based on what he's already accomplished. Alot of people feel that way.

Another large group of people feel Floyd that Floyd must beat Jesus, Godzilla, and Bigfoot before they can even consider it. I'm somewhere in the middle.

I don't think he needs to do too much more honestly.. But Hatton is supposed to be an easy win for Floyd, Cotto is supposed to be overrated, and Mosley is supposed to be old. Mayweather himself is the #1 P4P fighter in the world and realistically at his absolute peak. For Floyd to beat each one of these guys wouldn't be as significant as any of them beating him individually. Especially with the little bit of tarnish each guy has..

Floyd's critics are HARSH and if he wants to shut them all down he may have to clean out ALL the names anywhere near his chosen weightclass to put an end to the criticism.

Floyd is after all supposed to beat every one of these guys.

People want to see him do it.. If he can.

Ok i see where you're coming from.. good stuff

[Addison]

I've tried to keep all things in mind when I frame this.

I'm talking about ATG.

These are the only guys who have a shot in my view.

It will take all the right twists and turns of fate for us to be talking about them 25 years from now.



Ricky Hatton. All he really has to do is win his next fight. Sad but true. Beating Kostya Tszyu at 140 and Floyd Mayweather at 147 is a slam dunk. Then there's the winner of Cotto/Mosley and if he gets that win and manages to retire undefeated there won't be much room for debate. IF.

Bernard Hopkins. Is he already? That's what the buzz has been.. But it certainly won't hurt if Hopkins beats the winner of Calzaghe/Kessler. He could stand to do slightly more in my opinion but time is not on his side. Regardless Bernard has already managed to get himself in the discussion at MW despite losing twice to Jermain Taylor. Another major win should seal the deal. People are surprised Hopkins doesn't need a walker at this point. It won't take much.

Floyd Mayweather. If he beats Hatton then Mosley or Cotto (because the winner of that fight will have considerable heat going) he'll put himself into major consideration for the majority. Maybe another big win or two beyond that will be enough to shut everyone up for good. Floyd is having to deal now with the greatest expectation of any living fighter. It's hard for him to win, even when he does by wipeout. But he has a great shot. He's heavily favored to become an ATG.

Joe Calzaghe. Joe also gets alot of ATG talk, but for my money the guy is theoritically greater than he's actually gotten a chance to prove. The Lacy win is probably the most hyped in Boxing history, though it was quite a display. Calzaghe needs to get a win over someone like Bernard Hopkins. But Bernard is old and it may require Joe take out several dangerous foes here at the end to truly cement himself and end all arguments.

Manny Pacquiao. What else can Manny accomplish? Is he already there, or could moving up add another required dimension to his certs? Who is left, really? Beating Casamayor, Juan Diaz, and Katsidis seems helpful. He'll have to get past Marquez first of course if that fight happens. But otherwise Pacquiao is running on a treadmill at 130 and if people don't already think he's an ATG the only thing he can do is beat up some names at a higher weight. It might be more than fair to say Manny Pacquiao is already an ATG.

Shane Mosley. Losing to Wright and Forrest is going to forever haunt Shane. But if he manages to get past prime Miguel Cotto and beat the winner of Mayweather/Hatton he just may be in business. Getting written off and suprising the critics can do wonders for ATG consideration. The establishment already has a major hard-on for this guy. They already say he was possibly the best 135 ever. Clearing out that top guys at 147 at 90 years old should cover all bases. IF.

Joe Calzaghe baby. DAMN.

[Azteca]

Addison you should find that prediction thread where everyone voted on who would win. I would love to see it.

[SkillspayBills]

Floyd's already an all-timer in my opinion.

I concur right now his PLACE among the all time is what is being disputed.

[joepal]

I should say though.. A few months ago a Boxing mag I cannot recall did fantasy matchups with Pacquiao versus guys like Saddler and Pep - and they had most of the ATG's whooping Manny's ass. The establishment loves his achievements, but there will always be those who think his running/lunging piston punching style would have gotten creamed by the legends..

But it's so easy to say something like that. The problem with some fans is that they tend to glorify the past too much. I've seen lots of old tapes of so-called ATGS but they failed to impress me much.

[shynequasiog22]

I pretty much agree with what the fighters you named but I would also add Winky Wright to that list. Other then the Vazquez fight he has never lost convincingly and many people would argue the few loses he does have. I personally think he won against Vargas and that the Hopkins fight should have been a draw. Now he would still have to come back and win another fight or two against either champions or high ranking contenders which I think is very possible. If he goes back to middle I would favor him over Abraham and very slightly over Pavlik. Oh and after tonight I'd say Calzaghe just put one foot over that threshold.