Poll: Floyd v. Castillo I...who won?

[THe TRiNiTY]

This is what you just said man:

Pac lacks defense.
Pac's offense is less than Diaz, Kessler, Hatton, Guzman, Malignaggi etc.

So unless your saying that Diaz et al have ZERO defense, you are essentially saying that these people are p4p better fighters than Pacquiao. Which is so ridiculous you ought to off yourself.

Now you're sinking to the level of saying I should kill myself? Jesus, you take this way too seriously. I said Manny had a lesser defense compared to Mayweather. Big deal. I can say the same for about 90 percent of the boxers out there. I didn't say Manny had a ****ty defense. It's actually improved. I never said Diaz had a better defense than Manny. Manny has a better defense. Because of his movement and angles.

Juan has a nice offense, and it's comparable to Manny, I never REALLY said either was better. I was saying they are comparable. You asked who has a better offense, and I said those guys could be argued for. p4p, Manny beats all those guys I mentioned, and I never said he didn't. So, don't put words in my mouth. Diaz has a poor defense, I never argued that he didn't. The closest I got to saying they had better defenses, was said MIGHT. I never said that it was set in stone. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[joepal]

Now you're sinking to the level of saying I should kill myself? Jesus, you take this way too seriously. I said Manny had a lesser defense compared to Mayweather. Big deal. I can say the same for about 90 percent of the boxers out there. I didn't say Manny had a ****ty defense. It's actually improved. I never said Diaz had a better defense than Manny. Manny has a better defense. Because of his movement and angles.

Juan has a nice offense, and it's comparable to Manny, I never REALLY said either was better. I was saying they are comparable. You asked who has a better offense, and I said those guys could be argued for. p4p, Manny beats all those guys I mentioned, and I never said he didn't. So, don't put words in my mouth. Diaz has a poor defense, I never argued that he didn't. The closest I got to saying they had better defenses, was said MIGHT. I never said that it was set in stone. BIG DIFFERENCE.

But then you already bit off more than you can chew when you said "I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way." How the fugg does holding Ricky have a better p4p offense than the whirlwind Manny? And Kessler. Who the fugg has Kessler DOMINATED at the level of a MAB/Morales/JMM for you to say that he beats Manny offensively p4p? OR FRIGGING JOAN GUZMAN? OR FRIGGING PAUL MALIGNAGGI? OR EVEN JUAN DIAZ?

Face it, when you gave that phrase, it literally blew to bits all your cover of objectivity. Let's dispense with the pretenses now shall we?

[THe TRiNiTY]

But then you already bit off more than you can chew when you said "I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way." How the fugg does holding Ricky have a better p4p offense than the whirlwind Manny? And Kessler. Who the fugg has Kessler DOMINATED at the level of a MAB/Morales/JMM for you to say that he beats Manny offensively p4p? OR FRIGGING JOAN GUZMAN? OR FRIGGING PAUL MALIGNAGGI? OR EVEN JUAN DIAZ?

Face it, when you gave that phrase, it literally blew to bits all your cover of objectivity. Let's dispense with the pretenses now shall we?

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT. I don't give a ****. You're literally arguing with someone who doesn't give a **** if you disagree. Disagree if you'd like. It doesn't bother me. You think you're correct. Will I ever change your mind? No. So this is pointless. You're just stating the same ****, over and over. And it's not even true when you're calling me a nuthugger. I don't ****ing LIKE Floyd. For the last time. Jesus H. ****ING Christ. Do you not read? Are you just sitting there, pretending to get what I'm saying?

I'll make a deal with you. I bet you I can go a longer period of time without mentioning Floyd, than you can.I wont mention him by name, by description. At all. I wont mention him. I'll bet 5,000 points. What do you say?

[joepal]

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT. I don't give a ****. You're literally arguing with someone who doesn't give a **** if you disagree. Disagree if you'd like. It doesn't bother me. You think you're correct. Will I ever change your mind? No. So this is pointless. You're just stating the same ****, over and over. And it's not even true when you're calling me a nuthugger. I don't ****ing LIKE Floyd. For the last time. Jesus H. ****ING Christ. Do you not read? Are you just sitting there, pretending to get what I'm saying?

I'll make a deal with you. I bet you I can go a longer period of time without mentioning Floyd, than you can.I wont mention him by name, by description. At all. I wont mention him. I'll bet 5,000 points. What do you say?

No let's not get all tangential here and focus on irrelevant topics. Just explain your stand that Kessler, et al have a better offensive arsenal compared to Pacquiao. How the Malignaggi or Guzman offense trumps the Pac attack. That's all I'm asking. Or are you afraid you'll come up short with a good answer?

[THe TRiNiTY]

No let's not get all tangential here and focus on irrelevant topics. Just explain your stand that Kessler, et al have a better offensive arsenal compared to Pacquiao. How the Malignaggi or Guzman offense trumps the Pac attack. That's all I'm asking. Or are you afraid you'll come up short with a good answer?

I didn't say they did. I said they might. So I have nothing to prove. All the fighters I mentioned are exciting. That's all I said. They MIGHT. I MIGHT find a twenty in my pants pocket. Doesn't mean it'll happen. You said, who has a better offense. I said, they MIGHT. You could make a decent case. For Kessler, watch Andrade. For Paulie, watch N'Dou. For Guzman, watch Barrios. Are those guys on the caliber of Morales, MAB, or JMM? No. But that's not what you asked. You asked, p4p, offense. The guys I mentioned have great offenses. That's all I swas saying. Very difficult to assume who has the best, because styles make fights.


Funny about that wager though. Isn't it strange that the "nuthugger" is more willing to stop talking about Floyd? Hmmm.. Interesting.

[joepal]

I didn't say they did. I said they might. So I have nothing to prove. All the fighters I mentioned are exciting. That's all I said. They MIGHT. I MIGHT find a twenty in my pants pocket. Doesn't mean it'll happen. You said, who has a better offense. I said, they MIGHT. You could make a decent case. For Kessler, watch Andrade. For Paulie, watch N'Dou. For Guzman, watch Barrios. Are those guys on the caliber of Morales, MAB, or JMM? No. But that's not what you asked. You asked, p4p, offense. The guys I mentioned have great offenses. That's all I swas saying. Very difficult to assume who has the best, because styles make fights.


Funny about that wager though. Isn't it strange that the "nuthugger" is more willing to stop talking about Floyd? Hmmm.. Interesting.

This is what you said:
"I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way."

OK, I agree that you said might. Still, that doesn't take you off the hook. So why did you say that the Kessler and Hatton might have better offenses than Pacquiao? Or was that just a passing thought to suit the moment, just like most of your thoughts in boxing are?

[THe TRiNiTY]

This is what you said:
"I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way."

OK, I agree that you said might. Still, that doesn't take you off the hook. So why did you say that the Kessler and Hatton might have better offenses than Pacquiao? Or was that just a passing thought to suit the moment, just like most of your thoughts in boxing are?

I think what I say through. You know, if you're selling me short.. than you're selling yourself short. Because you've been debating me for quite a while, here. So, I have to assume you atleast take me seriously, otherwise you'd of stopped by now. So I atleast have to know what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, Kessler, as I stated had a great showing in beating Andrade and in destroying Markus Beyer. He also has more power in one punch. Manny has speed and WAY better combinations, and also his punches sap you and strength in the long run. Both can turn around a fight in one punch, but Andrade tends to end them more that way. Notice in the Beyer fight, he essentially turned it around in a single blow. Notice also, in the second fight with Morales, Manny had been beating him for 9 rounds, and finally hit him enough times to rock him and send him down with a few more shots. Both styles work. I'd say Manny has a better offense, but I could see someone making a case otherwise. That's all I was saying, essentially. MIGHT.

As far as Hatton, he'd be the weak wink on that list, but he's still a busy fighter. Throws a lot of body punches, which I'm a fan of,and has pretty fast hands. He's a style of fighter, like Manny, who adds up the damage. Due to the fact that Manny has a bit more power, p4p, though. I'd give him the edge there. I was saying.. once again. MIGHT. That's all.

[joepal]

I think what I say through. You know, if you're selling me short.. than you're selling yourself short. Because you've been debating me for quite a while, here. So, I have to assume you atleast take me seriously, otherwise you'd of stopped by now. So I atleast have to know what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, Kessler, as I stated had a great showing in beating Andrade and in destroying Markus Beyer. He also has more power in one punch. Manny has speed and WAY better combinations, and also his punches sap you and strength in the long run. Both can turn around a fight in one punch, but Andrade tends to end them more that way. Notice in the Beyer fight, he essentially turned it around in a single blow. Notice also, in the second fight with Morales, Manny had been beating him for 9 rounds, and finally hit him enough times to rock him and send him down with a few more shots. Both styles work. I'd say Manny has a better offense, but I could see someone making a case otherwise. That's all I was saying, essentially. MIGHT.

As far as Hatton, he'd be the weak wink on that list, but he's still a busy fighter. Throws a lot of body punches, which I'm a fan of,and has pretty fast hands. He's a style of fighter, like Manny, who adds up the damage. Due to the fact that Manny has a bit more power, p4p, though. I'd give him the edge there. I was saying.. once again. MIGHT. That's all.

Hahaha. Somebody's tail is between his legs this very moment. Don't worry, I am magnanimous in victory. But I still have a few questions.

Does beating Andrade and Beyer match-up in any way KOing Morales or a Barrera? Answering in the affirmative is IMO the height of ******ity, as we all can agree that a MAB is a hundred times a better fighter than Andrade. Ditto with Morales and Beyer. Also, Pac has shown one-punch KO before with lots like Lucero and Jamili, it just takes a little longer when you're facing the greats themselves. But by no measure are Andrade and Beyer greats in their own right.

I wonder C-Drone, what made you really think Kessler had a better offense than Pacquiao? Or are you always this careless when you make these assertions?

[THe TRiNiTY]

Hahaha. Somebody's tail is between his legs this very moment. Don't worry, I am magnanimous in victory. But I still have a few questions.

Does beating Andrade and Beyer match-up in any way KOing Morales or a Barrera? Answering in the affirmative is IMO the height of ******ity, as we all can agree that a MAB is a hundred times a better fighter than Andrade. Ditto with Morales and Beyer. Also, Pac has shown one-punch KO before with lots like Lucero and Jamili, it just takes a little longer when you're facing the greats themselves. But by no measure are Andrade and Beyer greats in their own right.

I wonder C-Drone, what made you really think Kessler had a better offense than Pacquiao? Or are you always this careless when you make these assertions?

That's it. We're done. You're not even reading what I'm saying. You'r being very ignorant and childish. You just assume something, and don't put any thought into it. You honestly think I'm so biased that I hate someone I don't even know? Or love someone I've never met?

Jesus, that's just.... INSANE. You can't be spoken to. We're done. You have a goodnight. I seriously mean that. Get some sleep. Here, I'll do it for you.

joepal C-Drone.

There, quote that and put it in your signature. It'll make your week.

[joepal]

That's it. We're done. You're not even reading what I'm saying. You'r being very ignorant and childish. You just assume something, and don't put any thought into it. You honestly think I'm so biased that I hate someone I don't even know? Or love someone I've never met?

Jesus, that's just.... INSANE. You can't be spoken to. We're done. You have a goodnight. I seriously mean that. Get some sleep. Here, I'll do it for you.

joepal C-Drone.

There, quote that and put it in your signature. It'll make your week.

What's this, I merely ask you to susbtantiate your Kessler offense theory and you're already throwing the towel? Was your "I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way" just a fleeting flight of fancy? Now you are changing your mind? Fickle-mindedness is a female characteristic. Hey ***got, YOU JUST DONT MAKE BOLD CLAIMS HERE AND FAIL TO EXPLAIN IT. C'mon man. How is throwing a feather-fisted jab at Andrade better than throwing a straight left to Morales' face that immediately sent him down, crumbling in a heap? You're the one making all these outlandish observations so it is incumbent upon you to explain it thoroughly.