P4P Strongest Punchers - TODAY

[ELPacman]

agreed ....

I don't see how Pavlik goes up to the #1 spot when he only has 1 REALLY good win so far, against Taylor. I can see him moving up to the #1 spot in the future though. But there's no way he can be ahead of someone like Pacquiao or Vasquez who have KOed elite competition.

[MightyMikeA]

1-Pavlik
2-Vazquez
3-Katsidis
4-Torres
5-Cintron

[Konstantin]

Cintron
R Marquez
Pacman
Miranda
Ponce de Leon
Torres
David Haye

[77Ritchie77]

1. edwin valero
2. wlad klitschko... (see anyone walk through his straight right)?
3. pavlik
4. vazquez
5. pac-man
6. ponce de leon
7. cotto
8. cintron
yes all of thse guys hit harder than raf marquez.

[big paulie]

im struggling with this pac thing, he's not a concussive puncher, his thing is the accumalation of his shots

[We want Floyd]

im struggling with this pac thing, he's not a concussive puncher, his thing is the accumalation of his shots

PAC's detractors say PAC's move up in weight has made him more of an accumulation puncher rather than a KO artist. What they haven't taken into account or have chosen to look the other way is that PAC's competition have Grade A chins. Chins that are considered some of the best boxing have seen.

Can Pavlik, PDL, Cotto, or whoever else y'all got above PAC say that their fists have met the same granite chins PAC's left straight and right hook have faced?

For PDL yes, he faced a 35 year old Gerry Penalosa who is also considered by many and has proven he has a Grade A chin since he has never been ko'd or tko'd in his entire career. And PDL couldn't even come close to rockin' the old man.


The MAB's, JMM's, EM's, and even Larios's of the world, it's gonna take more than one single shot to knock 'em down or out. The opponents will have to gut 'em/chop 'em down. One single cannon shot just won't do. And guess what, PAC's the only one that's been able to either knock 'em down or out. That speaks volumes of PAC's sheer punching force.

The one thing lacking w/ PAC and I do believe that if he does develop it, he'll be getting more of those 1punch ko wins is his punch accuracy/selection. Most of PAC's punches end up on his opponents nose or cheekbone, he needs to be more precised by landing on the chin or temple of his opponents.

If PAC landed the same shots he did on JMM's nose, and it ended up on JMM's chin or temple. I seriously think JMM may have not recovered.

[-Mbandit-]

PAC's detractors say PAC's move up in weight has made him more of an accumulation puncher rather than a KO artist. What they haven't taken into account or have chosen to look the other way is that PAC's competition have Grade A chins. Chins that are considered some of the best boxing have seen.

Can Pavlik, PDL, Cotto, or whoever else y'all got above PAC say that their fists have met the same granite chins PAC's left straight and right hook have faced?

For PDL yes, he faced a 35 year old Gerry Penalosa who is also considered by many and has proven he has a Grade A chin since he has never been ko'd or tko'd in his entire career. And PDL couldn't even come close to rockin' the old man.



The MAB's, JMM's, EM's, and even Larios's of the world, it's gonna take more than one single shot to knock 'em down or out. The opponents will have to gut 'em/chop 'em down. One single cannon shot just won't do. And guess what, PAC's the only one that's been able to either knock 'em down or out. That speaks volumes of PAC's sheer punching force.
The one thing lacking w/ PAC and I do believe that if he does develop it, he'll be getting more of those 1punch ko wins is his punch accuracy/selection. Most of PAC's punches end up on his opponents nose or cheekbone, he needs to be more precised by landing on the chin or temple of his opponents.

If PAC landed the same shots he did on JMM's nose, and it ended up on JMM's chin or temple. I seriously think JMM may have not recovered.

This is were your wrong before he fought Pacquiao Larios was k.oed by Vasquez ,and Pac couldn't even k.o him.he was also recently k.oed by Linare and again Pac could'nt finish him.So what does that say about Pac's power that Linares and Vasquez has more power?Barrera was also k.oed by Junior Jones before Pac got to him.And Marquez was knocked down by fredie Norwood before.If Pac had such great power he would have been able to finish marquez off.I give you morales but then again when i think about it he was to weak from trying to make weight so that might have affected him.

[bigsmoothh]

ok i think people get things mixed up ok look a ko artist is a person who can ko sobody out with a single punch thus making their apponent not continue. then boxers who just simply tko a guy in the late rds is different.

[We want Floyd]

This is were your wrong before he fought Pacquiao Larios was k.oed by Vasquez ,and Pac couldn't even k.o him.he was also recently k.oed by Linare and again Pac could'nt finish him.So what does that say about Pac's power that Linares and Vasquez has more power?Barrera was also k.oed by Junior Jones before Pac got to him.And Marquez was knocked down by fredie Norwood before.If Pac had such great power he would have been able to finish marquez off.I give you morales but then again when i think about it he was to weak from trying to make weight so that might have affected him.

This is where you are an id*ot.

You use the example of PAC unable to take out Larios - Are you aware that the longer the fight went for PAC, the more $$$ he made from the numerous brands he endorses in his native country? There was definitely a huge incentive for PAC to stretch the fight .

Let me ask you. If a company(in PAC's case companies) came and offered you that for each complete round you finish, they'll add $1,000 on top of the money you are already suppose to make . Here's a little simple math for you....

If you complete a full three rounds, you get $3,000

If you complete a full six rounds, you get $6,000

If you complete a full twelve rounds, you get $12,000

I don't know how old you are, but here's an analogy - if you work for a company, they actually give out CASH bonuses on certain holidays. PAC simply got a bonus from the big corporate bigwigs in his country for everytime he completed a round!

Are you gonna tell me that you're gonna turn down a $500 cash bonus from your boss, because you wanted to go home early so you can play video games?(lol)

So what if MAB was tko'd by Junior Jones. How many years ago was that prior to him facing PAC. MAB was never ko'd or even suffered a knockdown after PAC annihilated him. MAB's motivation in the rematch wasn't to win, he simply wanted to survive and take the easy way out.

JMM's kd from the hands of Norwood was more of a flash knockdown. i don't even count that kinda knockdown.

[bigsmoothh]

This is where you are an id*ot.

You use the example of PAC unable to take out Larios - Are you aware that the longer the fight went for PAC, the more $$$ he made from the numerous brands he endorses in his native country? There was definitely a huge incentive for PAC to stretch the fight .

Let me ask you. If a company(in PAC's case companies) came and offered you that for each complete round you finish, they'll add $1,000 on top of the money you are already suppose to make . Here's a little simple math for you....

If you complete a full three rounds, you get $3,000

If you complete a full six rounds, you get $6,000

If you complete a full twelve rounds, you get $12,000

I don't know how old you are, but here's an analogy - if you work for a company, they actually give out CASH bonuses on certain holidays. PAC simply got a bonus from the big corporate bigwigs in his country for everytime he completed a round!

Are you gonna tell me that you're gonna turn down a $500 cash bonus from your boss, because you wanted to go home early so you can play video games?(lol)

So what if MAB was tko'd by Junior Jones. How many years ago was that prior to him facing PAC. MAB was never ko'd or even suffered a knockdown after PAC annihilated him. MAB's motivation in the rematch wasn't to win, he simply wanted to survive and take the easy way out.

JMM's kd from the hands of Norwood was more of a flash knockdown. i don't even count that kinda knockdown.

hmm interesting, i for 1 didnt know that. btw wouldnt the company would want to see a fascinating ko intstead of 12 full rds?