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  • !! Anorak
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    #11
    People talk about "P4P" (a hypothetical concept at best anyway) as if it's all about who can knock the **** out of each other.

    It used to be about skills, of which Pav showed little tonight. And I say that as a Pavlik fan.

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    • enema
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      #12
      Originally posted by !! Anorak
      People talk about "P4P" (a hypothetical concept at best anyway) as if it's all about who can knock the **** out of each other.

      It used to be about skills, of which Pav showed little tonight. And I say that as a Pavlik fan.
      Very true.
      I just think a p4p case has to be made for him, because at middle I don't think there's anyone ****ing with him.

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      • AntonTheMeh
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        #13
        Originally posted by !! Anorak
        People talk about "P4P" (a hypothetical concept at best anyway) as if it's all about who can knock the **** out of each other.

        It used to be about skills, of which Pav showed little tonight. And I say that as a Pavlik fan.
        WAS JERMAINE NOT ON THE LIST WAS HE NOT MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD?

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        • SkillspayBills
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          #14
          Next people will be saying he is an ATG, slow your roll there bro.

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          • squealpiggy
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            #15
            Originally posted by ANTONIM
            WAS JERMAINE NOT ON THE LIST WAS HE NOT MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD?
            He was Middleweight champion of the world but he never really looked convincing wearing the belts.

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            • AntonTheMeh
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              #16
              Originally posted by squealpiggy
              He was Middleweight champion of the world but he never really looked convincing wearing the belts.
              BUT HE WAS IT DOESN'T MATTER AND KELLY HAS POTENTIAL TO BE ALL TIME GREAT.HE'S 25.

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              • The Troll
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                #17
                **** p4p lists. They should be permanently disbarred.

                They make **** all sense and have **** all bearing.

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                • joepal
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Da Truth 35
                  how far did Taylor fall and where will Pavlik be on the list
                  Well considering that he beat better competition than Floyd, Taylor must at least be higher than the latter. And Pavlik must be higher than Taylor.

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                  • joepal
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by !! Anorak
                    People talk about "P4P" (a hypothetical concept at best anyway) as if it's all about who can knock the **** out of each other.

                    It used to be about skills, of which Pav showed little tonight. And I say that as a Pavlik fan.
                    Yeah sure Bernard Hopkins with all the skills and referees ("You're holding Jermain! Only Bernard can do that!") in the world couldn't hurt Taylor in a hundred rounds but a guy with no skills suddenly KTFOs him.

                    Great Pavlik fan you are. Give the man his props.

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                    • pesticid
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by squealpiggy
                      Taylor wasn't in the Ring's p4p list, and I doubt Pavlik will be either. Let's face it Pavlik's size has been a factor in his success. If size were not a factor Pavlik wouldn't be a top ten fighter. Though he is a good middleweight.
                      Squealpiggy,

                      I respect the majority of your post but what u just said is some fat BS. Tommy Hearns was an oversized welterweight, Wlad Klitchko is an evrzied heavy, Lennox Lewis was, Cotto was huge for 140, Paul Williams, Margarito and Contron are huge at 147. Valero is huge at 130. Ponce de Leon is huge at 122. Soto is huge at 126. Are u following me? It is obvious that size matters, jsut don;t take away from the fighters' accomplishments.

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