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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    #11
    If u sent me your address then I definitely sent an autograph. Send it again if you didn't receive one yet. Also, as far as my book and that chapter on RJ...I am glad you like dit and you will be happy know that you only read a small part of it. I have a bunch more stuff in the finished version of it. I am actually turning my book into THREE books (I have too much content for one!!)and the first Volume wil be done relatively soon. Keep in touch with me and I will update you

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    • starjammer
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      #12
      Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
      If u sent me your address then I definitely sent an autograph. Send it again if you didn't receive one yet. Also, as far as my book and that chapter on RJ...I am glad you like dit and you will be happy know that you only read a small part of it. I have a bunch more stuff in the finished version of it. I am actually turning my book into THREE books (I have too much content for one!!)and the first Volume wil be done relatively soon. Keep in touch with me and I will update you
      Will the first volume be published in some stores and locations, or will it be online, or what will be the plan? Being honest, I've only been into boxing for a couple years, so I hadn't heard of you, but I checked up your career and It's one to be proud of. I find your insights and comments always informative so I'd definitly like to read what you've put a lot of effort into.

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      • Vladimir303
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        #13
        After Roy jones beats Tito Trinidad, he should persue a fight with Glen Johnson once more and try to avenge that horrible loss. That's the only fight that I'm interested in that has Roy jones in it.

        Jones vs Tarver 4? I don't think so. He blew that one coasting for 12 rounds trying to play it safe in his most important fight. Losing a triology definitely hurts his legacy no matter how you slice it because he could have won that fight. He still had enough physical tools to beat tarver in the third fight but he lost his courage to engage tarver and risk getting Knocked out again.

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        • Brandish
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          #14
          why shouyld roy try and avenge his ko's, I mean duran never did so why should roy. by the way great take on roy iceman..where do you have him all-time

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          • Vladimir303
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            #15
            Originally posted by Brandish
            why shouyld roy try and avenge his ko's, I mean duran never did so why should roy. by the way great take on roy iceman..where do you have him all-time

            Yes and Duran had also over a 100 wins. Guys like Robinson and Duran have Warrior status added to their resume for fighting way past their best and still managing to get some credible wins. All roy is doing is fighting every 8 months as usual trying to sell his PPV as The great Roy jones vs some guy as usual. The one time where he gets knocked out and you have a potential of a triology like morales and Barrera he blows it saying he was just bored with boxing discrediting tarvers win and coasting for 12 rounds in the third clowning around as usual except this time he was losing. He gets no credit from me on that one and I am a fan of his. He had a chance to win that triology and retire on his own terms and he didn't. And let's not forget Tarver is his age. Unlike Ali he didn't fight a younger Larry Holmes getting his ass beat he fought an old guy like himself. No excuses for that
            Last edited by Vladimir303; 09-15-2007, 08:36 PM.

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            • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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              #16
              Originally posted by starjammer
              Will the first volume be published in some stores and locations, or will it be online, or what will be the plan? Being honest, I've only been into boxing for a couple years, so I hadn't heard of you, but I checked up your career and It's one to be proud of. I find your insights and comments always informative so I'd definitly like to read what you've put a lot of effort into.
              I plan to sell each volume online (unless something major comes my way). I think I have developed enough of a base of interested readers where I can do that. Boxing and its fans are closely connected with the dawn of the internet.... I would imagine a very high percentage of boxing fans read *********, and the others, and if that's true then one or two mentions on there and, presto, the word is out. I appreciate the words and I hope you find the finished product as intereting as the blips I've put up about it. Thanks

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              • Brandish
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                #17
                Yes and Duran had also over a 100 wins. Guys like Robinson and Duran have Warrior status added to their resume for fighting way past their best and still managing to get some credible wins.
                duran didn't have a credible win past barkley when he was 37. after that no credible victoriues. and you're saying duran had over 100 fights so did roy. Duran didn't fight in the amateurs so alot of thos pro-victories were against young guys like himself.


                All roy is doing is fighting every 8 months as usual trying to sell his PPV as The great Roy jones vs some guy as usual. The one time where he gets knocked out and you have a potential of a triology like morales and Barrera he blows it saying he was just bored with boxing discrediting tarvers win and coasting for 12 rounds in the third clowning around as usual except this time he was losing.
                duran didn't win the ray leoanrd trilogy nor did he avenge any of his ko losses, so why have a double standard


                He gets no credit from me on that one and I am a fan of his. He had a chance to win that triology and retire on his own terms and he didn't. And let's not forget Tarver is his age. Unlike Ali he didn't fight a younger Larry Holmes getting his ass beat he fought an old guy like himself. No excuses for that
                and that's where the hypocrisy comes in. if you think of guys losing after they are prime I can make a huge list of of them. roy can't do what he did when he was 20 or even 30 So I don't expect him to come back and avenge every defeat like he is a superman. judge him fairly like you do leonard, duran, hagler, and hearns

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                • Vladimir303
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                  duran didn't have a credible win past barkley when he was 37. after that no credible victoriues. and you're saying duran had over 100 fights so did roy. Duran didn't fight in the amateurs so alot of thos pro-victories were against young guys like himself.
                  I am not comparing them point for point in their careers. So it doesn't matter. Duran is a warrior and roy is not, plain and simple.




                  duran didn't win the ray leoanrd trilogy nor did he avenge any of his ko losses, so why have a double standard
                  This wasn't a comparison to between duran and jones. I was just stating that guys like robinson and duran were warriors who fought alot in their prime and past their prime.




                  and that's where the hypocrisy comes in. if you think of guys losing after they are prime I can make a huge list of of them. roy can't do what he did when he was 20 or even 30 So I don't expect him to come back and avenge every defeat like he is a superman. judge him fairly like you do leonard, duran, hagler, and hearns


                  Wrong roy can still do alot of what he did when he was younger. Prime wise he is still better then 99.9% of the guys his age that are around or were around still fighting. Tarver is the same damn age as roy jones man, you can't use the age exuse for roy if tarver is the same damn age. If roy was past his prime in those fights vs tarver then so was tarver and he still beat roy's ass. Glen johnson is an old fighter also. You're the one that's a hypocrite

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                  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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                    [/QUOTE]If roy was past his prime in those fights vs tarver then so was tarver and he still beat roy's ass. Glen johnson is an old fighter also. You're the one that's a hypocrite[/QUOTE]

                    One thing to consider, though... RJ was boxing at a very high level as an amateur from at least when he won the National JO's in 1984 (at 119 pounds) all the way until he fought Antonio in 2004. Thats a SOLID 20 years of non-stop training, sparring, running, pressure,etc etc. Antonio didnt even make it big in the amateurs until 1994 or 1995 after Roy had quite afew pro fights and was inhis prime... then Ant went pro in 1997... when Roy was already a pro for EIGHT full years. So they were the same age only in actuality, not in boxing terms.

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                    • Tyson Jones
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                      #20
                      I agree iceman. Very nice write up and i would be interested in an autograph.

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