What If Floyd Never Chased Oscar?

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    What If Floyd Never Chased Oscar?

    This is probally the longest thing you will ever read but it does flow. Its a 3pt article and its your choice but I think I bring some real thoughts & facts. I feel so bad for Floyd because he's destined to be the most underrated guy in boxing history and its clear now that people hate him so much that when he answers one question there will always be another. Thats why I often wonder what if Floyd had never chased Oscar or if Oscar was just a 140 pounder?

    The #1 thing people always overlook is Floyd's weight and size. Even when they know for a fact that he is super small, they still choose to overlook it because they hate him so much and they know that the guys who have the best chance to beat him are these huge monsters. I say this about Oscar because its been clear that since the day Floyd stepped foot into the LW division, he has thought of nothing but Oscar and how he could get that fight. Sure, he couldve stayed down in weight and still tried to get the fight but he knew that he wouldve had a much better chance at getting it if he moved as close to Oscar as possible and the fans would demand it. Floyd is obviously in no minority as every fighter wants to get the Oscar fight for the big pay day and fame but none of them are Floyd's size.

    I just think that all of his critics would be talking totally different if there was no Oscar. If he didnt chase that fight then you wouldve probally have never have saw Floyd at 154 unless it was the very last fight of his career, probally 3 years from now and it wouldve only had been 1 fight just to win a title. I bet you also wouldve never even seen him at 147 unless it was that same exact situation. The last or 2nd to last fight of his career just to win a title there. Otherwise, Floyd wouldve stayed at LW until very recently and then wouldve just moved to 140 to fight Hatton, Cotto, and whoever.

    If that was the case then everyone wouldve been looking at this cat totally differently. I think its so ****** when people compare him to guys like Leonard & Hearns because its so clear that there comparing the WW Floyd to those guys at WW and its not fair at all. Floyd never was and probally never will be a real WW. Even now people try to say that in this fight he will be a real WW but thats not true. Floyd will still look smaller then all the other guys and wont gain that much weight after the weigh-in. Those other 2 guys started at WW so ofcourse they are going to look better there. If you want to compare them then it should be Floyd at 130 or else compare the WW Floyd to those guys when they moved up to 160-175 where they clearly werent better then Floyd at WW. Floyd was definatly as good at 130 as they were at WW and they were still super huge WW's, e****ally Hearns.

    People also look negativley on him when they compare him to guys I love like Sweet Pea but that again isnt fair. Sweet Pea started at LW and went to WW. He wasnt better at WW then Floyd was and that was Floyd's 5th division. He definatly wasnt better at 147 then Floyd was at 140 which is both of there 4th divisions. They always really again try to compare a WW Floyd to a 135 or 140 pound Sweet Pea but it isnt fair. Again, Floyd 130-140 is every bit as good and Sweet Pea was still bigger then Floyd. Pea was short but he was a natually thick cat. He always gained a ton of weight after the weigh-in. Dont be fooled by his height. He was much bigger then Floyd.
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    Most of all people hate Floyd because of the way he fights. Completely overlooking or not caring the about the fact that he is really still a LW or not far from it, fighting against guys who should be at 154. Again, the N'Dou fight was just like 6 fights ago and he was so small in that fight. He hasnt gotten much bigger, its just fake weight he put on so he could fight Oscar and now the other guys at WW. Even in that fight N'Dou still had some moments where he was clearly using his size against Floyd and was pushing him around some. That was just 6 fights ago and at LW he was getting pushed around some. Then people call him a ***** if he doesnt fight a freakin dehydrated MW in guys like Margarito or Williams. To me thats so ****** and he still beat Oscar at 154 when Oscar is still a really good fighter. The guy deserves so much credit.

    Back to my point about people not liking the way Floyd fights. Imagine if there was no Oscar and he wouldve stayed at LW for alot longer and had just recently moved up to 140? Floyd would go from what you consider him now, to being arguably the most exciting fighter in the game. Everyone would be looking at him differently. You think he wouldnt be going toe to toe and walking down guys like Diaz, Guzman, Soto, Pac Man, EM, MAB, JMM, Campbell, Frietas, Chico rematch, Casamayor, Malignaggi, Holt, and so on? The guy wouldve had a incredible resume and wouldve probally have stopped most of those guys or came close to it. He definatly would be far more aggressive. If he didnt move up like that then everyone would truly be asking if he was really the GOAT or close to it. Everyone would be talking about how he's one of the most complete fighters ever, can throw every punch in the book from every imangible angle, and is a tremendous in-fighter. He doesnt even look like he can be hurt now so imagine him at those weights? Those guys wouldnt have any chance of hurting him. They would be talking about how superb his chin is and how he fights with alot of power and aggresiveness.

    Just look at how he fought N'Dou, Gatti, Corley, Bruseles, Zab, & Mitchell. You think he wouldnt fight those other guys like that who are mostly even smaller? Also, dont act like Im saying some "what if" stuff about Floyd because you know that weight wise it is true. Most of the time when you say stuff like this its not reality because those guys cant make the weight but Floyd really belongs at those weights. If people wouldve saw that and then compare him to guys like Sweet Pea, Leonard, and Hearns then he would come out very favorbly. Those are really the guys in his weight range that he should be fighting but we will kill him all day for not fighting guys like Williams, Winky, Margarito, and so on. It doesnt make sense. He wouldve then probally had finished up his career with the Cotto & Hatton fights. He probally would be fighting Hatton right now in a mega fight at 140 and then wouldve fought Cotto at 147 just to win that title and get the big fight. He would have a super high KO ratio and even when he didnt stop guys he would inflict alot of punishment on him.

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      Think about his speed at those weights. You hear all the time now that people say Floyd isnt fast. 1st off he's still very fast, it just doesnt look that way because of his output has decreased but at those weights he was super fast. He wouldve been bigger or just as big as most of the guys he fought while being 10x faster then all of them and having a advantage in every catagory. He wouldve destroyed those guys. I remember when some people even use to think that EM couldve beat him. That looks like a joke now doesnt it, considering that EM has been getting beat by these little guys and Floyd is beating Oscar. Some may now say that it wouldnt have been that impressive considering he has the size advantage over alot of those guys. 1st off Floyd isnt that much bigger or bigger at all them most of them. 2nd, how come no one says that now about guys like Cotto, Margairto, Williams, Cintron, Clottey, Hatton, and others who are clearly killing themselves to make weight just to fight little guys. Floyd wouldnt even have to struggle to make weight. If you say that about Floyd then you definatly cant call for Floyd to fight those other guys. Again, most of those guys would suck at there natural weight. Those guys would be so average at 154 or 160.

      In closing I would just like to reinterate my point. Floyd never moved up naturally. Its crazy because all of those guys I named and so many others are moving "down" in weight unaturally while Floyd is moving "up" in weight unaturally, yet he gets no credit for it and they get a ton of credit. Those guys should be at MW while Floyd really couldve stayed at 135 for the rest of his career or until very recently without killing himself at all. He definatly couldve finished his career at 140 with no problem. He fights Oscar at 154 weight 148 in the ring while Pac fights EM at 130 weighing 144 in the ring. Its a joke. Then you got alot of people trying to act like guys like Pac, EM, & Duran moved up in weight. Those guys didnt move up in weight. It just looked like that because they started off way lower then they shouldve been. There is no way that EM or Pac shouldve ever had been fighting at those super low weights. They were always killing themselves to make weight. Both of those guys are huge. Duran is considered one of thee if not the best LW in history and he again was killing himself and fighting guys way smaller then him. He's always been a huge cat. Dont let his height fool you. He's huge and thats why he moved up so high in weight. Those guys didnt move up alot, they just came to there natural weights.

      What they were doing 1st is like Floyd starting his career at 118 or 122. You know for a fact he couldve did that but he didnt want to beat guys just because he was way bigger. He was fighting at those weights in the amaturers while Zab and those guys even back then were at 140. The bottom line is that if there was no Oscar then Floyd wouldve got his just due credit as a All Time Great. Most of these little guys in history didnt face his size disadvantage on a regular basis and when they did they got a ton of credit for it. I still cant believe how people call Floyd a punk for not fighting a guy like Williams when there is so much evidence that he shouldnt have to and should definatly not be called a punk for it. If anyone is a punk then its a guy like Williams who wants that fight. Williams vs Pavlik is more closer to size then Williams vs Floyd and we all know what would happened if guys like Margairto, Williams, and Cintron fought Pavlik. They would get decapitated but yet Floyd beats a guy like Oscar.

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