Question about the Titles

**Fox McCloud** · 08-31-2007, 07:10 PM

Yes. The WBA has a super champion and a regular champion. It is very confusing because the regular champion is still recognized as a WBA champion for that weight class. That's all I know, there is more to explain, and I would actually like to find out about this, because I have wondered it about it too.

**starjammer** · 08-31-2007, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by DWiens421

Yes. The WBA has a super champion and a regular champion. It is very confusing because the regular champion is still recognized as a WBA champion for that weight class. That's all I know, there is more to explain, and I would actually like to find out about this, because I have wondered it about it too.

Hey thanks for the information man. Thats ridiculous really, makes a mockery of the whole thing. I wonder if there is a way they could get rid of all that...but they probabaly wouldn't want to, seen as its making them money.

**Fox McCloud** · 08-31-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by starjammer

Hey thanks for the information man. Thats ridiculous really, makes a mockery of the whole thing. I wonder if there is a way they could get rid of all that...but they probabaly wouldn't want to, seen as its making them money.

Here's the strange thing, when Hopkins got every middleweight belt, he beat the regular WBA champion when he already had the super WBA belt, so does that mean a new regular champion is appointed? I certainly don't know, but I'd like to find out.

**THe TRiNiTY** · 08-31-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by starjammer

Hey thanks for the information man. Thats ridiculous really, makes a mockery of the whole thing. I wonder if there is a way they could get rid of all that...but they probabaly wouldn't want to, seen as its making them money.

What it basically means is, bosers get titles they don't deserve, they cloud up the weight divisions with an aura of confusion as to who the true world champion is, and the sanctioning body gets to collect more sanctioning fees. Overall.. it means, boxing/boxers get screwed.

They usually cover it up by saying they want more active title fights, and can have unnification bouts, with THAT particular sanctioning body collecting on the fees, whoever wins.

**Ramamaiden** · 08-31-2007, 07:38 PM

i had this confusion too....and i also think that it sucks.
but well, at least most people know if the guy is a true champion or just a paper champ =P

**Fox McCloud** · 08-31-2007, 07:39 PM

Here's how the Hopkins situation went down:

William Joppy held the WBA championship (I guess it wasn't dual at the time, only when one boxer does something special do they move up to super champion status). He lost to Felix Trinidad in the first round of the King middleweight unification tournament. Trinidad then lost to Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins has the WBA belt, and they declare him super champion. Immediately after that, Joppy fought Howard Eastman for the vacant WBA regular championship belt. Two fights later Joppy loses to Hopkins, so Hopkins unified the WBA belts. What that got him? I don't know. If they gave his regular belt to someone else? I don't know that either.

Here's the Joppy page that kind of gives a good overview of what happens:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...4995&cat=boxer

**starjammer** · 08-31-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by DWiens421

Here's how the Hopkins situation went down:

William Joppy held the WBA championship (I guess it wasn't dual at the time, only when one boxer does something special do they move up to super champion status). He lost to Felix Trinidad in the first round of the King middleweight unification tournament. Trinidad then lost to Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins has the WBA belt, and they declare him super champion. Immediately after that, Joppy fought Howard Eastman for the vacant WBA regular championship belt. Two fights later Joppy loses to Hopkins, so Hopkins unified the WBA belts. What that got him? I don't know. If they gave his regular belt to someone else? I don't know that either.

Here's the Joppy page that kind of gives a good overview of what happens:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...4995&cat=boxer

Yeah thats a great example of how it seems to work. It's prob two guys in an office just making this stuff up as they go along. Its a pity, it's bad enough having four champions, but then sub-champions? Getting out of control.

**Fox McCloud** · 08-31-2007, 07:48 PM

And here's the ****ing answer:

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...5483&cat=boxer

They gave another regular championship out after Hopkins beat Joppy. Absurd and pathetic.

**starjammer** · 08-31-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by DWiens421

And here's the ****ing answer:

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...5483&cat=boxer

They gave another regular championship out after Hopkins beat Joppy. Absurd and pathetic.

**** sake. It ruins it. Hey thanks for the help there man - I think I got a better understanding of what's going on now. Nice 1

Question about the Titles