Is there a better system to judge fights?

[Unseen]

well over the years there have been big fights where the decision is clearly wrong. some are even so close that it's a draw. there are people with unbeaten records etc that are suspect, and even some title fights have been judged wrong. do you think there could be a better way to judge a fight etc?

for example in football (soccer) theres a big debate whether to use video footage if the ball has passed the line. a lot of people are saying it will stop the flow of the game. we have a 45 min first half and a break and then a 45 min 2nd half. so currently theres not that many stoppage times. but i dont think it would slow the game down.

i think something similar could be used in boxing, for example a low blow may need a 2nd ref to look at it in slow motion and give a point deduction or not. i think it will add some excitement. hopefully no fighter uses it as a cheat to catch their breathe.

2ndly, maybe more than 3 judges could make it more fair? sometimes from one side of the ring a fight could look different to another. i'm not sure if anyone ever recorded a fight from one side and compared to how it has looked on the other side, but maybe that affects why some judges see it differently to viewers.

maybe boxing doesnt need to be changed, cuz im loving it atm, but when a decision is wrong it can affect someones career you know.

[majestiC]

The problem is they take the judges decision on the night, they should do this but there should also be another set of judges viewing a video tape to see if a fighter has been robbed. No decisions ever get turned around no matter how bad they are in boxing, organisations like the WBC should stop being lazy and corrupt.

[deuce_drop]

or the judges could be held at gun point while scoring the fights.

what needs to be done is have a national commission, one governing body for boxing, that way there could be the people who police or judge the judges and the referee's.

make one true governing body and have teddy atlas be president of it or something to that nature. atlas would like to get rid of the crap.


but the main thing is there is no one really policing the judges, these guys don't get reviews or anything of public record, and i'm sure they get the slightest of review with the commissions and the sanctioning bodies, minimum at best i bet.

make teddy the man and flush out the crap, he's passionate enough to flip the thing around.............

[adamk1304]

I can't see a better way of doing it even though the current system is wide open to corruption. The only thing that might work would be to compile a short-list of around 10 judges who would be willing to work on fight night and then choose 3 at random an hour or so before the fight. keeping them in isolation would also be a good idea.

[msagrain]

if they go back to the very old ruel we wouldnt need judges. first person to get knocked out and not make the 10 count wins

[Unseen]

or the judges could be held at gun point while scoring the fights.

what needs to be done is have a national commission, one governing body for boxing, that way there could be the people who police or judge the judges and the referee's.

make one true governing body and have teddy atlas be president of it or something to that nature. atlas would like to get rid of the crap.


but the main thing is there is no one really policing the judges, these guys don't get reviews or anything of public record, and i'm sure they get the slightest of review with the commissions and the sanctioning bodies, minimum at best i bet.

make teddy the man and flush out the crap, he's passionate enough to flip the thing around.............

oh yeah i forgot to think about the actual judges themselves. who are they? can they be anyone almost and do they get trained? for example are there videos that they watch and judge and then compare it to the real results? perhaps the most consistent can get a certifctae to judge etc...

[Fox McCloud]

if they go back to the very old ruel we wouldnt need judges. first person to get knocked out and not make the 10 count wins

So everyone dies before their 10th fight, genius.

One thing that does need to change is how they score knockdowns... I don't have anything close to a solution, but the fact that Marquez was behind after round 6 against Pacquiao just seemed wrong to me. I know Pacquiao won the first round huge, but is that really equivalent to 4 rounds of punishment like Marquez dished out in rounds 3-6? This whole, every round is 10-9 thing irks me too. The first round of Hopkins-De La Hoya, went to Oscar on a single landed jab. How the **** can Oscar get the same advantage as someone who outlands their opponent by 20 shots in a round? It just needs to be consistent. I don't think this new system would hurt the sport, it would just make each round's scoring more telling of what actually happened in it.

[Welter_Skelter]

I think the judges should not be ringside.. But in seclusion and watching the fight on CCTV.. with the benefit of Replay.. and the sound turned down..

plus each fight should have a pool of judges to choose from and that the 3 who are picked.. ARE not decided till as close till fight night as possible..

[The Troll]

judges need to be more uniform in how they score

The agressor the guy making the fight should be given his proper credit
Body punches need to be counted properly by all judges

[frankpaganini]

the instant replay (like used in football...not soccer but NFL football) is a good thing with me as long as:

1. the fight IS NOT stopped in the middle of the round (no ref calling time and taking 5 minutes to get a decent look)

2. it does NOT delay the fight in any way.

the way it would work best (in my opinion) is have a second ref at ringside and when the round begins either the ref IN the ring or one of the trainers (for either corner) can ask the second ref to review something controversial (a knockdown that the trainer or ref thinks was a slip and not a knockdown...low blows...fouls etc.) and the second ref takes a quick look (during the one minute rest between rounds) and makes a decision within that minute...

if there is not enough time it should stand as ruled.

if it was a mistake by the ref in the ring it should be changed before the start of the next round.

i think this would work great because i've seen knockdowns called slips when on replay it was indeed a knockdown...or i've seen fouls committed but not called by the ref in the ring...so it would be a great tool to make the fight closer to being fair.

i just dont believe it should slow down the pace of the fight...if they can fix it to like i said then i would have no problem with that...

i also believe their should be ONE sanctioning body...we got WBC, WBO, IBF, WBA...thats too many...it needs to be ONE...with ONE champion per division (not four)...that makes it fair to the fighters for example, (if you want to be the champ of X division then you have to beat this ONE guy..not four to unify the titles). all this does is open a door for guys to dodge other guys and get more PPV fights (since their are many champions per division).

the sanctioning body should be policed correctly...

Teddy atlas (as another poster said) would be the perfect person to overlook all actions of the sanctioning body...Teddy atlas is a fair man and there would never be any courruption occuring on his watch.

i think things would be more fair.

as far as judging goes i think it is corrupt...sometimes i wonder what fight these guys are watching...its ridiculous...

i dont remember who was in the fight but it was on FNF a couple years ago (maybe it was WNF) but these two guys (forget who they were) were went a full 10 or 12 rounds and i had it scored completely (all the rounds) for this one fighter but they gave a shutout to the OTHER fighter and a UD at that...

i remember thinking, "did we just watch the same fight"...and i remember teddy getting so angry at these judges for not scoring the fight right...

and its true...these judges are corrupt...they never score rounds even (although sometimes they should be scored even)...and all this garbage and robbing people of their victories...

i think we definately need BETTER (way better) judges and more scoring the fight...spinks vs. taylor was a perfect example...2 judges scored it for taylor and one gave is 117-111 for spinks...117-111...FOR SPINKS??!?!?! taylor CLEARLY was the better fighter (even though it was a boring fight) but some prick gave it to spinks...thats crazy...we need better judges...

why only 3...why not add a few more so there is a wider perception of the fight and maybe the outcome will be more balanced and fair...they need to up the amount of judges...maybe to 6 judges per fight...or something...