DLH's stamina issues kinda wishy washy

**raysan** · 08-15-2007, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI

Here's why. I've watched DLH since the olympics up to his last fight against Mayweather Jr. DLH against the Molina's, Breland's, way past prime Camacho, JCC II, Vargas were fights that averaged 9 rounds and DLH looked like he got stronger for those fights as the fight wore on.

How come, against Tito, Mosley 1 and 2, B-Hop, Mayweather jr. DLH going into the 7th - 9th rounds, DLH against all 5 started to huff and puff. How come his "poor" stamina only shows up against elite guys. hmm....

elite guys equal harder fights for anyone, what are you trying to say? for instance, how come bautista looked like a future world champ against his previous opponents but got knocked out in the first againt De Leon, hmmm... competition gets stepped up, fights are harder, not hard to comprehend.

**xcaret** · 08-15-2007, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by raysan

elite guys equal harder fights for anyone, what are you trying to say? for instance, how come bautista looked like a future world champ against his previous opponents but got knocked out in the first againt De Leon, hmmm... competition gets stepped up, fights are harder, not hard to comprehend.

LOLOLOL owned.

**We want Floyd** · 08-15-2007, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by raysan

elite guys equal harder fights for anyone, what are you trying to say? for instance, how come bautista looked like a future world champ against his previous opponents but got knocked out in the first againt De Leon, hmmm... competition gets stepped up, fights are harder, not hard to comprehend.

Before I rip into your reply. First off, I have to give Xcaret props for one thing, eventhough he's an inbred conceived in a ranch. Xcaret and I atleast saw the same thing from day one and that is Bautista was always a bum to me and I still think De Leon is a bum.

Okay, now for you to say that harder fights means stamina issues will arise, if so, how come B-HOP, Mosley, Tito, and Floyd didn't show signs of weakness going into the later rounds?? I mean, of course no fighter has the same stamina level throughout the same fight(except for PAC ), but DLH clearly shows to be the one running out of steam compared to his elite opponents.

Bottomline, DLH cannot stomach tough fights, he literally runs away from it(lol). No cojones whatsoever, but he sure looked tough against Fernando in that 11th round

**raysan** · 08-15-2007, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI

Before I rip into your reply. First off, I have to give Xcaret props for one thing, eventhough he's an inbred conceived in a ranch. Xcaret and I atleast saw the same thing from day one and that is Bautista was always a bum to me and I still think De Leon is a bum.

Okay, now for you to say that harder fights means stamina issues will arise, if so, how come B-HOP, Mosley, Tito, and Floyd didn't show signs of weakness going into the later rounds?? I mean, of course no fighter has the same stamina level throughout the same fight(except for PAC ), but DLH clearly shows to be the one running out of steam compared to his elite opponents.

Bottomline, DLH cannot stomach tough fights, he literally runs away from it(lol). No cojones whatsoever, but he sure looked tough against Fernando in that 11th round

He's a hall of famer, multi time world champion in multi divisions, a gold medalist, and made what, like 50 million his last fight, im sure hes happy with his career and the "tough fights" he "cannot stomach". All i said was better competition equals harder fights, and you would be an idiot to say thats not true, but you probably are so ehhh what can you do.

**MaYaN_SuN** · 08-15-2007, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI

Here's why. I've watched DLH since the olympics up to his last fight against Mayweather Jr. DLH against the Molina's, Breland's, way past prime Camacho, JCC II, Vargas were fights that averaged 9 rounds and DLH looked like he got stronger for those fights as the fight wore on.

How come, against Tito, Mosley 1 and 2, B-Hop, Mayweather jr. DLH going into the 7th - 9th rounds, DLH against all 5 started to huff and puff. How come his "poor" stamina only shows up against elite guys. hmm....

lol Because your mad at his success...and the fact he's Mexican livin a life you could only dream of.

De La Hoya's stamina has always been an issue, since the Trinidad fight. He out classed Trinidad with ease, with out Tito even responding with anything convincing. Then his legs caught on fire. Instead of Waistin energy punchin, he did the smartest, or the ******est thing and decided to abandon his punches and use the last of his energy to stay away from Trinidad's power.

A minor flaw in one of our times greatest non black athletes

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So yeah, I'd have to say you think the way you do about Oscar because he's Mexican, and because he lives better then anyone you'll ever know, lol including yourself, and since you weren't ever really up on his "actuall attributes" as a fighter. lol So yeah, it's a combiation of things, if you wanna get technical about it..

**frankpaganini** · 08-15-2007, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI

Before I rip into your reply. First off, I have to give Xcaret props for one thing, eventhough he's an inbred conceived in a ranch. Xcaret and I atleast saw the same thing from day one and that is Bautista was always a bum to me and I still think De Leon is a bum.

Okay, now for you to say that harder fights means stamina issues will arise, if so, how come B-HOP, Mosley, Tito, and Floyd didn't show signs of weakness going into the later rounds?? I mean, of course no fighter has the same stamina level throughout the same fight(except for PAC ), but DLH clearly shows to be the one running out of steam compared to his elite opponents.

Bottomline, DLH cannot stomach tough fights, he literally runs away from it(lol). No cojones whatsoever, but he sure looked tough against Fernando in that 11th round

Just because signs of fatigue werent apparently showing with those oppenents does NOT MEAN they werent tired as well. i dont care what any fighter says...they all get tired at one point or another...they are human not machine...just because de la hoya shows his fatigue doesnt mean the other fighters are still going full steam. they all get tired. its hard work...you HAVE TO get tired.

yes pacman even gets tired...

runs away from tough fights? are you kidding? de la hoya has heart and he shows it everytime he gets in the ring. he doest run. he faces the fighters and goes at it and its impressive...besides how can you be an olympic medalist...multiple (MULTIPLE) weight division champion and run from tough fights?

**DLT** · 08-15-2007, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI

Here's why. I've watched DLH since the olympics up to his last fight against Mayweather Jr. DLH against the Molina's, Breland's, way past prime Camacho, JCC II, Vargas were fights that averaged 9 rounds and DLH looked like he got stronger for those fights as the fight wore on.

How come, against Tito, Mosley 1 and 2, B-Hop, Mayweather jr. DLH going into the 7th - 9th rounds, DLH against all 5 started to huff and puff. How come his "poor" stamina only shows up against elite guys. hmm....

I understand your question and your response to the other posters but the fact is that those guys you named in that 2nd group are way better then the guys you named in the 1st group and are better then Oscar. Those guys didnt tire against Oscar because they were the better fighter. Oscar is just not better then those guys. You could argue that he wouldve beat Tito but when you run like a girl then you will run out of gas. Also, Oscar is a guy who may have been overrated and that came back to hurt him. By that I mean that he's like Morales. Both guys are very tall and bigger guys but they killed themselves to make weight in those super small weight classes. Because of that they killed all those guys but they drained there body too much in the process. Then as they got older it hurt them against the top guys. However, if they never had killed themself to make the lower classes then maybe they wouldve never have been considered that great from the jump and they probally wouldve had more losses early in there career if they had fought at there natural weight

**brently1979** · 08-15-2007, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI

Before I rip into your reply. First off, I have to give Xcaret props for one thing, eventhough he's an inbred conceived in a ranch. Xcaret and I atleast saw the same thing from day one and that is Bautista was always a bum to me and I still think De Leon is a bum.

Okay, now for you to say that harder fights means stamina issues will arise, if so, how come B-HOP, Mosley, Tito, and Floyd didn't show signs of weakness going into the later rounds?? I mean, of course no fighter has the same stamina level throughout the same fight(except for PAC ), but DLH clearly shows to be the one running out of steam compared to his elite opponents.

Bottomline, DLH cannot stomach tough fights, he literally runs away from it(lol). No cojones whatsoever, but he sure looked tough against Fernando in that 11th round

DLH fought a very controlled fight against Vargas, one of the few fights he stuck to his game plan. Maybe his conditioning going into those fights wasn't as good as it could be. Before he started training with Mayweather I think DLH's training was a bit all over the place. One thing that DLH said in the last ep on 24/7 which worried me was that he was "tired". Maybe he just doesn't have the stamina that other fighters have.

**small_warrior** · 08-15-2007, 09:02 AM

Vargas was a very tough fight, and had no stamina problems

DLH's stamina issues kinda wishy washy