The Ring Belt

[eazy_mas]

The Ring Belt can only be won or lost in the ring. The magazine will not strip fighters for not fighting "their" contender like the alphabets, and this is one major flaw of the system of the sanctioning bodies: They strip fighters of the belts for going after the biggest opposition ie other beltholders. Their contender lists are often for sale.). The Ring belt is the property of the champion who beat the former Ring champion until he is beaten in a title fight. And it doesn't matter if the title fight is a tune-up against a nobody or a unifying mega fight, if the champion gets beaten in a title fight then the Ring championship changes hands. And that's how it should be.

The belts are only vacated by a fighter retiring or making a permanent change in weight division, and a vacant belt can only be awarded in a title fight between the number one and number two in the division, except in some circumstances in which the belt can be awarded in a title fight between number one and number three (as was the case in the Calzaghe - Lacy fight).

That cleared it up now we got Hatton-Mayweather each one with the ring title. If one of them won the fight what would happen will the two belt be give to one of them?

[Technical_Skill]

Those are flaws that are nigh on impossible to iron out without changing the whole structure of the sport. The Ring belt is an unbiased rankings system without financial motivation. It rewards fighters for fighting other ranked opponents and not for paper belts or mandatory defences. That is why i will not recognise a champion unless he holds the ring belt. If he is #1 challenger and the champ never gives him a shot it gets complicated i suppose.

But look at Calzaghe v Kessler, Champ versus the #1 contender - exactly the sort of fight that should be made.

I don't count guys with paper belts as anything other than contenders. Wlad isn't heavyweight champion in my eyes, and Floyd has one sd against another contender at 154.

i know what you mean, but i will recognise a champion without the ring belt,

But it depends on the situation of the divison. the heavyweight divison has mulitple title holders but in that situation i rate wladimir as the champ.

At 140 when mayweather was there i rated him as the champ, simply because mayweather was the best fighter in boxing, i think he would have beaten hatton and tsyu, hatton declined to fight him, tsysu didnt seem to respond to mayweather calling him out, he also had the WBC belt and he made a good point to Brian Kenny,

"How can i be the best fighter in the world, but im not the best lighwelter in the world"

Its a tricky situation, different weight classes require a different appraoch depending on the amount of title holders and who they are.

[squealpiggy]

That cleared it up now we got Hatton-Mayweather each one with the ring title. If one of them won the fight what would happen will the two belt be give to one of them?

Nope, the fight will be a title fight at Welterweight so Floyd's Welterweight title will be on the line. Hatton will still be Jr Welter champ if he loses.

At 140 when mayweather was there i rated him as the champ, simply because mayweather was the best fighter in boxing, i think he would have beaten hatton and tsyu, hatton declined to fight him, tsysu didnt seem to respond to mayweather calling him out, he also had the WBC belt and he made a good point to Brian Kenny,

"How can i be the best fighter in the world, but im not the best lighwelter in the world"

You can't recognise someone as the legit champ just because they are good. The championship should only ever change hands in a title fight, not because the subjective opinion of some people deem that it should. Can you imagine if they awarded the Wimbledon title to the best tennis player, and not the one who wins? "Well, you won the title but you got a lucky win over Federer so we're giving it to him..."

Also just because someone is the champ doesn't mean they're the best. Joe Louis was a million times better than Max Baer but Max had the belt so he was the champ.

[OptimusWolf]

I don't think you can defend Mayweather being champ at 140.

If he had offered to come to England, take less than 50% purse to fight the champ then fair enough, but that never happened.

Still 130, 135 and 147 isn't bad, especially these days.

Wlad is a strange case, because he is head and shoulders above everyone else in the division, and he has actually beaten the no.2 guy previously to beating the no.1 guy (Byrd). Still I'd only actually call him the champ if he at least partiually unifies.

[Technical_Skill]

Nope, the fight will be a title fight at Welterweight so Floyd's Welterweight title will be on the line. Hatton will still be Jr Welter champ if he loses.



You can't recognise someone as the legit champ just because they are good.

I also said because hatton didnt wana fight mayweather at that time, thats just not fair on mayweather because he cant be the champ simply because a fighter refused to fight him, thats not fair, i call that extenuating circumstances.

Ive also noted optimus's comments too, i can give a proper answer hopefully later on, lol, im being a bit naughty, posting from work lol.

[eazy_mas]

Nope, the fight will be a title fight at Welterweight so Floyd's Welterweight title will be on the line. Hatton will still be Jr Welter champ if he loses.



You can't recognise someone as the legit champ just because they are good. The championship should only ever change hands in a title fight, not because the subjective opinion of some people deem that it should. Can you imagine if they awarded the Wimbledon title to the best tennis player, and not the one who wins? "Well, you won the title but you got a lucky win over Federer so we're giving it to him..."

Also just because someone is the champ doesn't mean they're the best. Joe Louis was a million times better than Max Baer but Max had the belt so he was the champ.

Joe Lewis was beaten at the elminator he was good but maybe unlucky or the guy he was facing was very hunger but then he was the best

I don't think you can defend Mayweather being champ at 140.

If he had offered to come to England, take less than 50% purse to fight the champ then fair enough, but that never happened.

Still 130, 135 and 147 isn't bad, especially these days.

Wlad is a strange case, because he is head and shoulders above everyone else in the division, and he has actually beaten the no.2 guy previously to beating the no.1 guy (Byrd). Still I'd only actually call him the champ if he at least partiually unifies.

I agree with ya 100%

[!!! Beowulf !!!]

I also said because hatton didnt wana fight mayweather at that time, thats just not fair on mayweather because he cant be the champ simply because a fighter refused to fight him, thats not fair, i call that extenuating circumstances.

Ive also noted optimus's comments too, i can give a proper answer hopefully later on, lol, im being a bit naughty, posting from work lol.

Your motivation is pigmentation.

[Technical_Skill]

To clarify what i have said above, i have no problem with anyone who calls Hatton the champ at 140, personally to me, i lean towards mayweather being the champ at 140, thats my opinion, in terms of the ring magazine belt and the way that works, Hatton should be the ring magazine champ, because he beat tzysu.


However for me personally, i consider mayweather the best fighter at 140 when he fought there, the only reason he didnt become ring magazine champ at that weight was because hatton refused to fight him, there is nothing mayweather can do about that, and thats a flaw of the ring belt,

If a fighter has the ring belt, and refuses to fight the best in his divsion (mayweather was and is the best fighter in all of boxing) he can still be called the champion.

Sven ottke could have had the ring championship for years under this rule, as he never fought anyone, it was a good thing ring had the sense not to give it to him as he was fighting nobodies.

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the ring belt gets it right most of the time with its mechanism.

Wlad is not the man. Diaz is not the man.

because Wlad didnt unify ****
Casamayor is the man at 135, no two ways about it.

However it's still beyond me how the LHW lineage was put on RJJ and NOT on DM (of course I would have bet my house on RJJ beating DM if the fight ever happened, but still...)

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That cleared it up now we got Hatton-Mayweather each one with the ring title. If one of them won the fight what would happen will the two belt be give to one of them?

fight takes place at 147, Hatton keeps his ring belt at 140