Taylor-Pavlik 9/29 Clash on HBO, Not PPV

[DLT]

How in the WORLD is Pavlik MADE for Taylor?!?!?!?!?!?!

I could see someone saying Taylor will definetly win, or will dominate, but Pavliks style poses MANY MANY MANY MANY problems for Taylor.

Hes the hardest PUNCHER Taylor will have ever faced. He has the most relentless PRESSURE Taylor as ever faced. Pavlik is the YOUNGEST and HUNGRIEST fighter in all of Taylors defenses. Pavlik has a great BODY attack. Taylor fights going backwards easily, and fights off the ropes all the time... which is where only 3 people have survived...

Please explain how that style is made for taylor? lol

I completely disagree. Everything you said may be right but thats still perfect for Taylor. Taylor is uncoordinated and not the smartest guy in the world. Thats why he will always have problems with boxers or guys who can move. He also has problems with southpaws. Pavlik is everything you said but thats what Taylor wants. He wants a guy who will be right in front of him the whole night, who is super easy to hit, and comes in with his head straight up. Taylor dont have to do nothing but fire shots. He doesnt have to work hard to get any offense and he doesnt have to try to create anything.

Thats why I thought it was so dumb when people said that Taylor was ducking him. 1st off he has 3 super huge names already on his resume and 2ndly, if he did pass up on Pavlik it was only going to be for a rematch with Winky or a fight with Calzaghe which I think are both way harder. There is no way Taylor will fear someone like Pavlik. The kid is solid but overrated. People are going crazy simply because he knocked out another overrated guy who looks just like a black Mayorga. Pavlik also got rocked more then a few times in that fight. If you think Pavlik hits hard, that is nothing compared to what Taylor can bring. You talk about what Pavlik brings to Taylor but what about the other way around? He's never seen anything close to the combination of speed & power that Taylor has and it will be a shock to him. There is no way in hell your going to beat Taylor fighting the way Pavlik does. Not only will he lose but Taylor will put on a show and look the best weve ever seen him strictly because of the way Pavlik fights

[Gareth Ivanovic]

Good news that this fight is finally official and is going to be on HBO WCB and not PPv. I think Pavlik will present problems for Taylor and he won't be running, he'll be throwing. Im glad Taylor took the fight and it's going to be at MW. This is a chance for him to gain some respect back again with a good performance because Pavlik will make him fight and we'll see how he reacts.

[heat27]

yesssssssssss
i happy Pavlik goin to fight taylor.
thanks for info

[Kball15]

I completely disagree. Everything you said may be right but thats still perfect for Taylor. Taylor is uncoordinated and not the smartest guy in the world. (1)Thats why he will always have problems with boxers or guys who can move. He also has problems with southpaws. Pavlik is everything you said but thats what Taylor wants. He wants a guy who will be right in front of him the whole night, (2)who is super easy to hit, and comes in with his head straight up. Taylor dont have to do nothing but fire shots. He doesnt have to work hard to get any offense and he doesnt have to try to create anything.

Thats why I thought it was so dumb when people said that Taylor was ducking him. 1st off he has 3 super huge names already on his resume and 2ndly, if he did pass up on Pavlik it was only going to be for a rematch with Winky or a fight with Calzaghe which I think are both way harder. (3)There is no way Taylor will fear someone like Pavlik. The kid is solid but overrated. People are going crazy simply because he knocked out another overrated guy who looks just like a black Mayorga. Pavlik also got rocked more then a few times in that fight. (4)If you think Pavlik hits hard, that is nothing compared to what Taylor can bring. You talk about what Pavlik brings to Taylor but what about the other way around? He's never seen anything close to the combination of speed & power that Taylor has and it will be a shock to him. (5)There is no way in hell your going to beat Taylor fighting the way Pavlik does. Not only will he lose but Taylor will put on a show and look the best weve ever seen him strictly because of the way Pavlik fights

BOLD #1: Wright didnt move at all, he stood right in front of taylor, taylor backed up all night. Wright had his peek-a-boo style, and that allowed taylor to really rip his shots in the center of the ring. Pavlik has even more pressure, he hits twice as hard, he will throw almost 20 more punches a round.

Wrights a southpaw, yea, but hes got the type of style that wont give you trouble when its an inside fight.


BOLD #2: Pavlik may not have the best defense in the world, but he has a good one. You'll be surprised. Just watch the tape of past fights. When Zertuche was on the offensive, Pavlik was able to cover up and block shots. When Pavlik was on the offensive he got hit hard, but his chin is so good it didnt even matter.

Then you have Edison Miranda. Pavlik showed a better set of defensive skill in that fight i thought, but you could clearly tell the only time he was effective defensively was when he was thinking defense. So he still got hit a lot.

Anyway, Pavlik may have a problem with his defense, but I think his great chin will help him survive any offense Taylor can dish out.


BOLD #3: I agree about all the ducking crap. Calzaghe is a harder choice, but i personally woulda been pissed if he chose him. I wouldn't have held it against him, calzaghe-taylor is a hell of a fight, but i wanted 3 superfights instead of 1... (Pavlik-Taylor, Calzaghe-Kesser, and Winner-Winner)

BOLD #4: What evidence is there that Taylor hits as hard as Pavlik? I think Pavlik has Taylor beat in that catergory, even if a lot of Pavliks Knockouts can be credited to his high punch output. You don't fight 31 times and have only 3 opponents survive without packing some serious heat.


BOLD #5: Pavlik is a very smart fighter in the ring, his team seems to be pretty good stradegists as well. He fought Miranda the way he did cause he knew if he walked through hell for 1 or 2 rounds, hed have miranda going backwards, where no man can possibly survive. He'll have something in store for Taylor, we'll have to see.

But i agree, coming straight in, with that lunging jab he sometimes has, can be a big mistake against a professional like taylor. But hes shown he has more then that.

More then anything, we'll find out how many demensions both guys have, cause both guys have mostly been in the same type of fight if you know what i mean.

[Owlzfan84]

BOLD #1: Wright didnt move at all, he stood right in front of taylor, taylor backed up all night. Wright had his peek-a-boo style, and that allowed taylor to really rip his shots in the center of the ring. Pavlik has even more pressure, he hits twice as hard, he will throw almost 20 more punches a round.

Wrights a southpaw, yea, but hes got the type of style that wont give you trouble when its an inside fight.


BOLD #2: Pavlik may not have the best defense in the world, but he has a good one. You'll be surprised. Just watch the tape of past fights. When Zertuche was on the offensive, Pavlik was able to cover up and block shots. When Pavlik was on the offensive he got hit hard, but his chin is so good it didnt even matter.

Then you have Edison Miranda. Pavlik showed a better set of defensive skill in that fight i thought, but you could clearly tell the only time he was effective defensively was when he was thinking defense. So he still got hit a lot.

Anyway, Pavlik may have a problem with his defense, but I think his great chin will help him survive any offense Taylor can dish out.


BOLD #3: I agree about all the ducking crap. Calzaghe is a harder choice, but i personally woulda been pissed if he chose him. I wouldn't have held it against him, calzaghe-taylor is a hell of a fight, but i wanted 3 superfights instead of 1... (Pavlik-Taylor, Calzaghe-Kesser, and Winner-Winner)

BOLD #4: What evidence is there that Taylor hits as hard as Pavlik? I think Pavlik has Taylor beat in that catergory, even if a lot of Pavliks Knockouts can be credited to his high punch output. You don't fight 31 times and have only 3 opponents survive without packing some serious heat.


BOLD #5: Pavlik is a very smart fighter in the ring, his team seems to be pretty good stradegists as well. He fought Miranda the way he did cause he knew if he walked through hell for 1 or 2 rounds, hed have miranda going backwards, where no man can possibly survive. He'll have something in store for Taylor, we'll have to see.

But i agree, coming straight in, with that lunging jab he sometimes has, can be a big mistake against a professional like taylor. But hes shown he has more then that.

More then anything, we'll find out how many demensions both guys have, cause both guys have mostly been in the same type of fight if you know what i mean.

I agree. I think Pavlik is very underated defensively. I mean he got his nickname for being good at it. I've seen Pavlik fight a number of times and the same goes with Taylor. and i mean its clear as day that Pavlik is the more powerful puncher along with the more technical puncher. I've also noticed that even though Pavlik throws a lot of punches, he doesnt waste any. He's shown he has good stamina and a world class chin. i mean he took some shots from miranda who's one strong dude and he kept coming forward.

I expect a good fight, with Pavlik coming out on top.

[Addison]

I'm starting to feel a little bad for Taylor..

I wonder how all this makes him feel?

He's done everything he could, he's gotten the wins..

Any self respecting man of accomplishment would have an impossible time understanding why people don't appreciate hard work, and results.


That said I voted him the most boring fighter in that poll.

[mdoe]

I'm starting to feel a little bad for Taylor..

I wonder how all this makes him feel?

He's done everything he could, he's gotten the wins..

Any self respecting man of accomplishment would have an impossible time understanding why people don't appreciate hard work, and results.


That said I voted him the most boring fighter in that poll.

I just think it goes back to those suspect gift decisions from Bhop - Taylor 1 and the Winky fight, if he would have won those decisively I think people would be calling him a future HOF'er, personally I was disgusted when he raised his hand and started celebrating when he got that draw with Winky, he knew he was beat you could see it on his face, he was just happy he got to keep his belt lol...but I think this might be FOTY right here, we are going to see two heavy handed fighters in the ring going at it, I can't call a winner right now, I need to think about it, but I'm leaning towards JT mainly because he has Stewart in his corner, I hope they don't have that damn open scoring, lol the "Dibella SEE I don't fix fights" scoring.

[DLT]

BOLD #1: Wright didnt move at all, he stood right in front of taylor, taylor backed up all night. Wright had his peek-a-boo style, and that allowed taylor to really rip his shots in the center of the ring. Pavlik has even more pressure, he hits twice as hard, he will throw almost 20 more punches a round.

Wrights a southpaw, yea, but hes got the type of style that wont give you trouble when its an inside fight.


BOLD #2: Pavlik may not have the best defense in the world, but he has a good one. You'll be surprised. Just watch the tape of past fights. When Zertuche was on the offensive, Pavlik was able to cover up and block shots. When Pavlik was on the offensive he got hit hard, but his chin is so good it didnt even matter.

Then you have Edison Miranda. Pavlik showed a better set of defensive skill in that fight i thought, but you could clearly tell the only time he was effective defensively was when he was thinking defense. So he still got hit a lot.

Anyway, Pavlik may have a problem with his defense, but I think his great chin will help him survive any offense Taylor can dish out.


BOLD #3: I agree about all the ducking crap. Calzaghe is a harder choice, but i personally woulda been pissed if he chose him. I wouldn't have held it against him, calzaghe-taylor is a hell of a fight, but i wanted 3 superfights instead of 1... (Pavlik-Taylor, Calzaghe-Kesser, and Winner-Winner)

BOLD #4: What evidence is there that Taylor hits as hard as Pavlik? I think Pavlik has Taylor beat in that catergory, even if a lot of Pavliks Knockouts can be credited to his high punch output. You don't fight 31 times and have only 3 opponents survive without packing some serious heat.


BOLD #5: Pavlik is a very smart fighter in the ring, his team seems to be pretty good stradegists as well. He fought Miranda the way he did cause he knew if he walked through hell for 1 or 2 rounds, hed have miranda going backwards, where no man can possibly survive. He'll have something in store for Taylor, we'll have to see.

But i agree, coming straight in, with that lunging jab he sometimes has, can be a big mistake against a professional like taylor. But hes shown he has more then that.

More then anything, we'll find out how many demensions both guys have, cause both guys have mostly been in the same type of fight if you know what i mean.

1- Winky gave Taylor problems coming straight at him but he's coming at him in a southpaw style. Its totally different. Its a whole different look all together and can throw you off if your not crafty like a Hopkins. I also think you dont give Winky enough credit on his inside skills. Ive seen him dominate pretty much everyone since the Vargas fight that exact same way. Winky also comes forward while being considered the best or top 3 defensive fighters in the world so its also hard to hit him clean. Then on top of that he's a top P4P guy while Pavlik hasnt come close to proving that yet.

2- I dont see the D that you guys see and looking good against a bum is not going to prove it to me. His resume is filled with a bunch of them.

4- I believe that most people think Pavlik hits harder but I disagree. I think alot of them have to do with his opponents and the fact that he's very good fundementally while Taylor is not the most fundemental guy in boxing. That changes things alot.

5- I think Pavlik may be smart but that hasnt really been proven yet. For the most part I dont think his style lends to thinking. Its just a walk down throwing punches style and I dont think he uses much thought in that process. His team may be good but I think they saw that Miranda is a black Mayorga who has been hurt before. They wanted to come straight at him like Oscar & Tito did Mayorga because they know that they were just as strong and would easily out punch him since Pavlik is 10x more fundemental and while Miranda would be swinging that crazy wide ****, Pavlik will be coming straight down the pipe which will allow him to beat him to the punch and Miranda's ****ty D wouldnt stop any of them.

I like Pavlik and I was very impressed with him against Miranda. I usually never ever pick the guy who I think is less fundementaly sound and doesnt know how to incoorparate his game plan but even with all of Taylor's crap he still managed to beat Hopkins twice, draw with Winky, and beat some other solid guys in the process. Now I think he's facing a guy who for the 1st time in a long time will allow him to be himself, which is a counter puncher with tremendous power & speed. I think Pavlik will walk him down like he saw Winky & Ouma do and he thinks he should win easy by what he saw them do to him but he's going to find out that its totally different doing it as a righty and I think he's going to get hit alot and hurt bad

[The Troll]

Pavlik is going to punish him and stop him with his agression behind his straight powerfull punches. If Taylor does well with his jab it could make things difficult for Pavlik but nothing he can't work past.

[TheEvilSaint]

good. taylor shouldnt be in a PPV. but i'd pay to see pavlik kick his ass. looks like i wont have to.