BOXING'S GREATEST FIGHTERS - Bert Randolph Sugar

[adamk1304]

lewis and mayweather should be on the list, and tyson should be a lot higher.

[the330ballers]

lewis and mayweather should be on the list, and tyson should be a lot higher.

this book was written a long time ago and then edited again i dont when but definitely before mayweather beat dlh cause i've had the book for awhile. bert wouldnt put him on till after mayweathers career is over.

i got a lot of things i'd disagree with but it's still a good book. for example tyson, where does he go? there are so many people that would rank him near the top because of potential and so many who wouldnt even put him on the list because he didn't beat anyone other than spinks and lost all of his big fights. i bet if everyone here came up with a top 100 p4p they wouldnt look anywhere near the same.

oh yeah and bert obviously has a bias towards old fighters.

[squealpiggy]

He overates a lot of the old timers. Like Benny Leonard. #6 all time? gimme a break, id put him at LEAST 10 spots higher on the list.

You would put him at -4 all time?

[robjr]

agreed.

i dont care much for bert sugar. theres some good fighters on that list but my list would be WAY different, and yes robjr, i think floyd mayweather SHOULD be on a list of top 100 fighters, especially if leonard and sweet pea are. my opinion.

I respect yer opinion.. but he aint no leonard or sweet pea..

[Shanus]

Hagler too low, Whittaker too low, Leonard too low, Tyson too low, and Willie Pep is without a doubt #2.

[Addison]

"Bert Sugar has a passion for the sport that is rivaled only by his talent for writing about it" - New York Sportscene


FOREWORD
Bert Randolph Sugar, known as the "unofficial historian" and "the guru" of boxing, is one of the most charismatic writers ever to capture the drama of fights and fighters on paper. One of the most recognizable personalities in the sport, Sugar - with his trademark fedora and cigar - has been called "entertaining, insightful, and eminently colorful." A member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame, he has served as the editor of The Ring, Boxing Illustrated, and Fight Game magazines, and is the author of more than fifty books.

Bert Randolph Sugar

"...No amount of fistic bookkeeping could account for "greatness" absent other elements in the equation." - Bert Sugar

100 Greatest Boxers of All Time

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wild
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. Barney Ross
21. Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott
27. Jake LaMptta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Atell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basilio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. **** Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitzsimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J. Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73. Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeannette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones, Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson

Your thoughts...

Nice to see Duran so high.. I guess.


Who was faster and more deadly accurate than Robert in Leonard I?

The trajectory on some of those shots had after-burn on them.

[THe TRiNiTY]

The Mayweather thing is a bit crazy, but Mike Tyson wasn't that great to me, never was. Sorry. And I like the guy, you guys just pick one or two things you disagree with and base your opinion of him, on that. Very....... wrong, in my opinion. The list itself, is pretty decent. Sugar Roy Robinson, would KILL Floyd Mayweather, by the way.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Those of you bashing the list.

Bert (if memory serves) has stated that the list only included retired fighters, so most modern fighters do not cut the list for obvious reasons.

Also, all of you people insulting the list need to shut the **** up. I sincerely doubt anybody who has posted in this thread thus far could create a list of 100 greatest fighters that would even come close to matching people's approval.

He is wrong about 1 thing though... Moore should be top 10.

[Addison]

BTW - what was the specific criteria he used this to come by?

If anyone knows..

[Shanus]

Those of you bashing the list.

Bert (if memory serves) has stated that the list only included retired fighters, so most modern fighters do not cut the list for obvious reasons.

Also, all of you people insulting the list need to shut the **** up. I sincerely doubt anybody who has posted in this thread thus far could create a list of 100 greatest fighters that would even come close to matching people's approval.

He is wrong about 1 thing though... Moore should be top 10.

You're right, nobody I know of could make a better top 100 list (if a top 100 list at all), but from what we DO know, surely we're allowed to put our opinions across.