If Floyd Was Worried, Does That Make Him A Punk?

[DLT]

I talked about this during the time that Margarito was calling him out for 8mil and everyone was going crazy about it and calling him names. My question was that even if Floyd was worried about that fight, does that make him a punk? My point was again predicated on the size & weight issue. Floyd was a very small guy who only had 2 fights at 147 and both of those were against guys who came up from 140. I think a very possible reason for Floyd turning down that fight was that he didnt feel that he was yet adjusted to the weight limit and didnt want to fight a huge guy with his style that soon.

Then what happeneds now? Floyd challanges a young undefeated fighter in his prime and alot of people and writers are ripping him for that. Ive heard alot of them say that Floyd wants Hatton because he only takes fights that he know he can win but wont take risk like Margarito and the other guys? So he's not taking a risk by fighting a young undefeated monster who is bigger then him in his 4th division but Margarito and those other guys are tough and are taking risk because they want to fight guys there own size or smaller in the 1 division theyve fought there whole lives in? I dont get it at all.

Reading alot of articles and posters on this board, there again ripping Floyd because all these big names are at 147. They think its so cool and shows how tough guys are when they call out Floyd but if he doesnt fight them then he's a punk. Lets examine the facts. Again, you guys have to look at the size & weight issues. Everyone knows Floyd is maybe the smallest man in boxing P4P. How brave is it for guys like Williams, Margarito, & Cintron to call him out? I cant believe that people think thats special. All of these guys are ****in huge. They started there careers at WW and most people believe that there not even real WW's, that they should be atleast at 154. I dont understand why people dont get this. Those guys look at Floyd and see "Heaven". What they see is a guy who is really not far from being a light-weight, doesnt have much power, most likely cant hurt them, alot of times his D is to be hit, and to put icing on the cake he's the #1 P4P guy in the sport. Thats what they see. Its not special that they call him out when they know there like twice his size and he cant hurt them. Having those guys call Floyd out is like having Bernard Hopkins calling them out and everyone giving him props and calling them scared.

Floyd is a 5 division champ while those guys have only fought in 1. Think about that. People always overlook that when they talk about them fighting. They overlook that when they talk about those guys style compared to how "boring" Floyd is. Let those guys move up 4 divisions and see what they look like. Margarito goes up 1 weight class and he looks like crap even against Santos. The same goes for guys like Castillo and you know it would be the same for Cintron or whoever. Whats funny to me is that Margarito was calling Floyd out when he was at 135 and no one cared, he again did it at 140 and no one cared. When Floyd was fighting Zab they gave Williams at interview and he said that Floyd is too small and is not a real WW and thats why Margarito wants to fight him. Now Williams is calling out that same little guy. Cintron just said dumb **** about Floyd wanting to fight a little 140 pounder instead of a real WW like him. Never mind that Hatton is really way bigger then Floyd. What does that make Cintron if he wants to fight Floyd? He only wants to because Floyd is so little. Picture Floyd in the ring with all 3 of those guys. They would be super huge to him but yet people think there tough for challanging him? Its a ****in joke. Cintron hasnt said one thing about fighting Margarito again or Williams but he'll fight Floyd because he knows he has that huge size advantage. This **** is like Floyd trying to fight MAB. Everyone would rip him but no one says anything when its these guys.

Then you look at it and most of the time its only the huge guys. Cotto & Hatto are bigger then Floyd but there height and stuff are close enough where they arent so quick to challange Floyd. Even though they have the big advantage in weight, its still super risky for them. The other guys dont hesitate because they know how huge they are. Margarito did that to Floyd and became this folk hero. Lets talk about Margarito. Again, he's calling out the little guy who was in this 4th division and only had 1 or 2 fights there at the time, both against little guys. This got him the name the most feared man in boxing which was a joke. Mosley turned him down but that was because they offered him much less money then Floyd. Also, Margarito called out Mosley when Shane wasnt even special. Shane had just come off that bad losing streak, he then had 2 crappy performances at 147 and just had his tough fight with a shot Vargas when he called him out. Whats so brave about that? Everyone thought Shane was done at that time. Whats so funny is after everyone did that, all the other fighters started laughing and challanging Margarito. All these guys at 154 called him out but yet he couldnt go there to fight them but he wants to fight little Floyd who's in his 4th division and is clearly not a real WW. He then fights 2 real WW's. 2 huge guys just as big as him. He fights Clottey who was killing him until he broke his hand and everyone thinks he wouldve won. He then fights Williams and loses. You catching my drift? Whenever he fights guys his size with skill he doesnt win or he looks average at best. Then you here people give him credit for fighting a huge guy in Williams? What? This is the same guy who is 10x huger then 90% of his opponents. Thats why those guys win and thats why they cant move up but yet Floyd is a punk?

[DLT]

PART 2

If you think about it a guy like Paulie is much bigger then Floyd when he started out. Now there both like the same size but Paulie is getting a beating against guys like Cotto while Floyd is beating a pro like Oscar at 154 even when he's nowhere near the weight. It makes me mad when he gets compared to those guys at 147 because its really like night & day. Like I said before, its just as dumb as when people compare Floyd to SRL or Hearns at 147. They say that those guys would kill him or how he doesnt look like them. Really though there just comparing them at 147. How fair is that when its Floyd's 4th division and he didnt move up normally so he clearly doesnt belong there. However, those other 2 guys started at 147 and finished at LHW. Again, if your going to compare these guys then it should be comparing Floyd at 130 to them. Floyd is 10x better at the higher weights then those guys are. I want to see Cintron, Williams, and Margarito go to 5 divisons that quick and see how big and bad they are. Floyd's the scared punk but lets see how they fight at LHW against Dawson, Tarver, Hopkins, RJ, and so on. Why dont people see throug that. The funniest thing about all of this is that if Floyd did decide to take the fight then he would be the favored against all those huge guys. Dont tell me he isnt a All Time Great if hes the favored against those monsters when he could still make 135 if he wanted to. Dont tell me this guys are so cool just for calling out a little man. The sad part is that if Floyd fought those giants and boxed around then people would call him boring and rip him. The even sadder part is that if he struggled with them at all then he would be called a fraud who clearly wasnt a All Time Great, even though the guys are twice his size. So for now on you guys got to think about that when you call one guy a punk or another guy cool for calling him out. Think about how Margarito has looked when he's fought guys his size, think about how Cintron looked when he fought a guy his size in Margarito, and think about how crappy Williams would look against a guy his size.

Better yet guys, think about if Floyd was there size. You think he wouldnt **** them? What if Floyd started out at 147 and he was 5'10? You think he wouldnt **** all those guys up? What if Floyd was even like Hatton & Cotto and started off at 140 but was huge there? You think those guys could **** with him? Even moreso, you think those same guys would still be lining up to jump in the ring with him? There only doing it because they know how small he is and they think that gives them a great chance. Then you even got fools calling Floyd a chump for not fighting Hatton at 140 even though he's bigger then Floyd. The fact is that Floyd couldve stayed at 135 probally until right around now if not more. The fact is that after that he couldve easily finished his career at 140 and you all know it. How would Floyd be looking if he took that path? He would look like something special and easily one of the top guys of all time but he didnt want to do that. He wanted to win titiles in multiple divisons and fight Oscar. So I go back to my original question? What if Floyd felt that with Margarito's size & style that he wasnt ready to fight him after leaving 140 that quick and only fighting Mitchell & Zab at 147? Does that make him a punk? Again, if he wouldve came out and just admitted it like that then everyone still wouldve ripped him because people hate him so much. He told Margarito to wait and get more famous in the process so the fight could be bigger. Next fight will be Floyd's first fight where he's close to being a real WW. He still wont be half as big as the other guys but he should be more adjusted to the weight and then you can judge him better. Is Floyd a punk for that? If anyone's the punk I think its Margarito for wanting to fight him. Cant you guys see that he looks at it as his birthday. Im at WW fighting these little guys while Im a giant and now I get little Floyd Mayweather to fall in my lap. If Cintron, Williams, & Margarito want to be cool to me then challange a tough guy like Karmazin. Simms just lost to Alceline but he's a boxer like Floyd except he's a natually big guy. Do you think those guys would be lining up to fight him? He'll No. Challange him and then I think they were tough. You guys cant even see through that. Then the worst part of all of it is that if Floyd fights these giants and doesnt stay in front of them then he's a *****, its not real fighting, he's boring, and not that good. So on top of all the other stuff, he has to fight those guys and basically brawl against big power guys who are way bigger? Then people come away from these other guys fights and talk about how great there chins are. There chins are great because they took a punch from a guy there own size? Then what does that make Floyd's chin?

I remember people called Floyd a punk when he was asking Naz to just come up 1 weight class. Now Floyd's a punk for wanting to fight "little" Ricky Hatton because he's not a real WW. Again, the worst part of all is that Floyd doesnt get any kind of special credit if he beats these guys. Let him beat Cintron and watch what people say. If he beats Margarito then its a good solid win but Floyd shouldve been fought him and its still not like he beat Hearns or something. People just dont understand how huge those wins would really be when you consider those guys talents and Floyd's size. Its amazing. The thing that makes me mad about Floyd is that he cant talk that well and has been so sheltered that you can see that he cant defend himself that well. If he had any kind of good tongue and was able to articulate well then he could put so many writers and stuff in there place. Sometimes if you tell people things a certain way then they realize even more how great you are, how great the stuff is that your doing, and how rediculous some of those guys articles or comments were. Floyd cant do that though which makes him an even easier target. Then Cotto moves up and challanges Margarito and people write that Cotto is a man and Floyd is a girl who's scared of Margarito. Nevermind the fact that Cotto started all the way at 140 and was super huge at that weight. Thats why its totally different and thats why Cotto has no worries about Margarito. Margarito is not bigger, stronger, or more scarier then a undefeated Chico was at 130 or a prime Castillo at 135 but that was nothing to Floyd because even though they were much bigger, he was also strong and comfortable at those weights. Now were talking about 2 & 3 divisons past that against a guy who should be at 154 but yet people dont see the difference. Thats why Floyd shouldnt fight those guys unless its a huge fight. They say he wont take the risk but those same guys havent takened a quarter of the risk he has and the public doesnt even realize. They let guys like Cintron, Margarito, & Williams call Floyd a chicken who doesnt take risk yet he's the guy in his 5th division and there the huge monsters looking to beat up on the little guy while being terrified of moving up in weight. Whos the real guys scared of the risk? I can go on and on for days about this stuff and I know as soon as I stop writing I will think of more and more stuff but this will do for now.

[ThaHorseman]

As usual, you use logic and common sense that some people will not take the time to acknowledge. Its easier for them to look past the facts and label Floyd a "coward". They refuse to see that Floyd could still be sitting at 140, pounding on the Witters, Harris', and Torress' of Light Welterweight instead of moving up to face bigger names in bigger fights.

[shawn_]

Its obvious that Floyd, like everybody on the planet, saw Margarito for what he was. An unskilled fighter with a very skilled promoter.

[ßringer]

Its obvious that Floyd, like everybody on the planet, saw Margarito for what he was. An unskilled fighter with a very skilled promoter.

Yeah, they kinda took that "most feared man in boxing" **** and ran with it, eh? Hell, I never even saw much in Margarito and they almost had me believing it too!

[Matt Marvelous]

I just tune out the Mayweather hate at this point. It's all the same unsubstanciated argument in different variations anyways.

[ßringer]

I just tune out the Mayweather hate at this point. It's all the same unsubstanciated argument in different variations anyways.

Isn't all hate that though? One could easily say the same only in favor of Margarito, Cotto, Hatton, Calzaghe, or Taylor. I think anybody who openly hates any particular fighter for biased reasons should never complain when their favorite fighter then comes under similar critique.

Not saying that suits you because I've neve rseen you post but I've sen it a lot actually. A guy makes a thread for people to back off his favorite fighter, turns around and attacks someone else's for the same reason.

[tito yuca]

As usual, you use logic and common sense that some people will not take the time to acknowledge. Its easier for them to look past the facts and label Floyd a "coward". They refuse to see that Floyd could still be sitting at 140, pounding on the Witters, Harris', and Torress' of Light Welterweight instead of moving up to face bigger names in bigger fights.

Very on point. Great post DLT.

[MindBat]

Floyd's major accomplishments have been moving up divisions, beating the champs, and taking their belts.:

I honestly think he's done more than enough.

Fighting Ricky will only prove that he can beat another overhyped fighter
IMO. boxing:

[beauty]

DLT, very insightful. Very insightful indeed.