Klitschko fans who speak of unification

[neils7147933]

Are we just talking about holding more than a belt or two, two of the major four for example - or when you bring up how the heavyweight title should be unified, do you mean "undisputed"

I guess what I'm saying is this - I'm sure Wlad fans are sure (and I'd bet on it as well) that he could beat the Chagaev/Ibragimov winner. Vitali could probably KO Maskaev right now without any ring rust, and will probably be favored over Sam Peter if he takes the WBC belt.

So when we have Klitschkos holding the 4 major belts, are you folks going to plead for the brothers to fight each other? Is it really good for the division to have 2 champions who refuse to fight each other?

Right now, Klitschko fans seem okay with the fact that the two said they would never fight each other. I wonder if a year down the road, if they're monopolizing the division, if that will still be the case, and whether it will be the case with other boxing fans...

[kayjay]

Four belts is an unrealizable standard. If one guy does get four belts, inevitably he'll be stripped by one or another of the organizations.

Unification means first at least two belts to one guy, but the first guy to achieve that at heavy will earn the #3 spot, so this doesn't mean all that much.

Undisputed to me means there's a clear-cut champ, either by lineage or consensus (it can't be taken literally). Wlad is close to that, and he only needs to beat the winner of the WBC tournament to solidify it. If Vitali ends up wqith the WBC there will be no undisputed champ, maybe not for a long time.

[neils7147933]

Four belts is an unrealizable standard. If one guy does get four belts, inevitably he'll be stripped by one or another of the organizations.

Unification means first at least two belts to one guy, but the first guy to achieve that at heavy will earn the #3 spot, so this doesn't mean all that much.

Undisputed to me means there's a clear-cut champ, either by lineage or consensus (it can't be taken literally). Wlad is close to that, and he only needs to beat the winner of the WBC tournament to solidify it. If Vitali ends up wqith the WBC there will be no undisputed champ, maybe not for a long time.

But two brothers ought to be able to come to terms on a fight for all 4, even if it's just for the immediate future. You won't get on them for ducking each other?

And do you really think Maskaev is the #2 champion?

[kayjay]

On the last point, The Ring rates as follows:

1. Klit
2. Peter
3. Maskaev
4. Chagaev


The winner of Peter/Maskaev will deservedly get the #2 rating. That will thus be the fight that will warrant a Ring Championship. If Klitschko were to beat Ibragimov/Chagaev, he would not get that title.


Regarding the brothers, they couldn't fight each other. That's never going to be an option.

[Banderivets]

I think Vitali will win the WBC, make a defence or two and the leave the belts for Wlad to grab and retire for good...Vitali is not here to stay, I just think he wants to hold the belt for one last time.

[neils7147933]

On the last point, The Ring rates as follows:

1. Klit
2. Peter
3. Maskaev
4. Chagaev


The winner of Peter/Chagaev will deservedly get the #2 rating. That will thus be the fight that will warrant a Ring Championship. If Klitschko were to beat Ibragimov/Chagaev, he would not get that title.


Regarding the brothers, they couldn't fight each other. That's never going to be an option.

Peter's not facing Chagaev.

And the Ring ratings seem different than some other boxing journalists. Steward ranked Maskaev as the worst HW champion, saying he never beat anyone outside of Rahman...

[kayjay]

I meant Peter/Maskaev

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Neils..

This is my interpretation of the current events in the HW division.

If you can recall, Wlad was going to unify with Maskaev... King stepped in and said "Hell No!"
Wlad was forced to face the mandatory (Austin)
And Maskaev to face the mandatory Peter.

The Klitschko camp, as a counter attack, played the Emeritus card with Vitali... as if a Klitschko will still fight Maskaev for the belt... that didn't go as planned and Klitschko did the right thing by stepping aside and let Maskaev fight his mandatory (Peter)


Keep in mind... Vitali is very injury prone and this month he will be 36 years old. By the time (and If) Wlad unifies with Chagaev/Ibragimov, and shall Vitali beat the winner of Peter/Maskaev, than both Klitschkos defend against their mandatory... if all goes according to plan, we're talking about a year from now.. when Vitali is pushing 38.. do you honestly think he will be here much longer (shall he win all his fights)?

Two things are accomplished...
1 - If they both win their next fights... their long time dream of being champs at the same time is accomplished.
2 - Vitali helps Wlad makes those belts available. I'm sure Once Vitali retires (again, shall he be the titleholder) the K2 promotions will have Wlad fight Vitali's #1 for the vacant belt