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Originally posted by jomapac
Must be just plain sourgraping....
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Must be just plain sourgraping....
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I personally haven't seen any film or tape of that fight, so, sorry pal, can't say for sure. What I learned from my late father (he went to MSG for that fight) was that twas pretty close! One could call it either way, he said. Of course, there was an element of bias in my dad's take: he was an Elorde fan!Originally posted by jomapac
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willie pepComment
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Originally posted by techn9ne
techn9ne... how bout Sanchez-Saddler?Comment
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Joseph Saddler of Boston, MA, aka Sandy Saddler, had a career that spanned 12 years which he suffused with 163 fights or 13.58 fights per year! He had more fights each year than there were months! He could have had gone on but for eye trouble which forced him to retire undefeated as a champ in Jan. 1956. While holding the World Featherweight title, Saddler had losses (among them to Flash Elorde, in Manila, during their first meeting and in his last career outing: April 14, 1956 where he went against a 135-pound Larry Boardman while weighing 130 lbs in his hometown of Boston), but none of those losses were in a title fight, except one: the Feb 1949 UD15 loss to Willie Pep at the MSG in NY. That fight was their second of four World title tiffs. It was hailed FIGHT OF THE YEAR-1949 by THE RING (magazine), THOUGH THE SCORES WEREN'T CLOSE: 10-5, 9-5-1 and 9-6. 
Saddler and Pep first met in Oct 1948. Saddler KD'd Pep two times in the third and finished him off in the 4th. They met a third time in Sept 1950 at the Yankee Stadium in NY. Pep was unable to re-emerge from his corner in the 8th due to shoulder separation. All the scorecards had Pep ahead at the time of the stoppage. Their final meeting was in September of the following year at the Polo Grounds, NY. Saddler took that one, as well, on TKO9.
Saddler had 103(!) KO's in 145 W's and many experts consider him the heaviest puncher the featherweight division has ever seen, bar none. But his vaunted punching power did not deter him from using tactics barred by the books. His two fights with Elorde were foul marred as were plenty of others. And Saddler was DQ'd in the 4th when he met Armand Savoie in Montreal, in 1952, for excessive holding, hitting on the breaks and using his gloves' laces to cut Savoie's face.
What has often been overlooked when fans talk about the great Saddler was that he held the World Jr.Lightweight title even as he was holding the World Featherweight title. But his jr. lightweight diadem was recognized only in Ohio and very few other places. He won that title (twas vacant) after beating Orlando Zulueta in Cleveland on Dec. 6, 1949. He defended that two times successfully (vs. Lauro Salas and Diego Sosa).
Saddler was tall for a featherweight, especially for his era. He was over 5'8.
He lost only 16 and drew 2.
The arguments rage: who was better? Saddler or Pep? Well, Saddler took three of their four encounters...
Could Sanchez have given either or both of them a run for their money? Well...
Last edited by grayfist; 10-23-2004, 10:19 PM.Comment
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You'll probably find your answer in the fight between Sanchez and Patrick Ford.Originally posted by Asian Storm
Much like Saddler would, Ford used his height and reach very effectively in his fight with Sanchez, as he repeated landed his jab and straight right hands all throughout the fifteen rounds.
Now imagine if that was Saddler in there with Sanchez.
If there's one featherweight in history that could dent the chin of Sanchez and put him down for the count with a right cross (or two, or three...however many it takes), it would be the thunderous punching Sandy Saddler.Comment
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Originally posted by Yogi
Thought so too. From the bio that grayfist put up there, Saddler
can beat the hell out any feather from the past and even at present...Comment
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