Roy Jones' Take on Mayweather vs. UFC

[potatoes]

Yes, but you also have to understand where Jones was coming from. I respect MMA no doubt but I will admit there is more PURE skill in boxing. You never hear of an MMA guy going into boxing but you do see boxers make that transition. I think there are so many ways you can win in MMA that, you have a greater chance of success making the transition from boxing to MMA not the other way around.

Grappling changes the dynamic of the sport so much, it's almost impossible to become a world class striker like you can in boxing. You are too worried about defending the take down, elbows, knees, kicks ect. Thats why you hardly see great body punching in MMA because it's almost impossible to do.

Just because most the jokers you see on mma/ufc are incompetent, does not mean the things they are unable to do are impossible. If Bruce Lee were alive today he would be laughing at these disgusting clown shows. I have a friend who is a real martial artist with over 50 years experience yet he thinks this mma/ufc garbage should be banned. Senator John McCain entertains the same opinion.

[Mr. Violence]

MMA rules. Boxing is on the downslope.

[SnoopySmurf]

A person with ****** strength and a few years of MMA training and you got yerself Tim Sylvia.

[1bad65]

I respect MMA no doubt but I will admit there is more PURE skill in boxing.

I'm not being an ass, but just go WATCH a BJJ class one day. Yes, boxing is the 'Sweet Science'. But grappling has it's own little details, its intricacies. Sometimes the difference between getting a submission and not getting it is just a few inches.

Just because most the jokers you see on mma/ufc are incompetent, does not mean the things they are unable to do are impossible. If Bruce Lee were alive today he would be laughing at these disgusting clown shows. I have a friend who is a real martial artist with over 50 years experience yet he thinks this mma/ufc garbage should be banned. Senator John McCain entertains the same opinion.

Again, take your mouth into an MMA gym and drop a challenge. Bruce Lee advocated CROSS-TRAINING, keeping what works and dropping what does not. That's MMA right there, moron. They use Boxing and Muay Thai for striking, they use Judo and Wrestling for takedowns, and they use BJJ for submissions. It's a mix of stuff from MANY styles.

As for McCain, that douche only wanted to ban it because he was in tight with Anheiser-Busch, makers of Budweiser. In the mid-90s, Bud was a HUGE sponsor of......Boxing! While I respect his service in the Navy and as a POW, he is a complete hypocrite. McCain is known for dumping his CRIPPLED wife soon after being freed for a younger woman. The same wife that stuck with him the ENTIRE time he was a POW. A complete douche in his PERSONAL life.

[Lethal]

if boxing is better then why didn't they beat the small BJJ guy who owned everyone(royce gracie)????

I can tell Roy is ignorant to the training aspect of MMA. He clearly doesn't know what MMA is about but yet claims to be a fan. Not everyone is cut out for MMA.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Roy is on the ball alright!!!

That is not true.

The best UFC guys have been grappling since they were school-age. Much like the best boxers honed their craft as amateurs.

Liddell, Ortiz, Coleman, Randleman, Couture, Gracies, etc... all wrestled as kids in high school and in college

The Gracies were rolling on the tatami since they were toddlers practically.

Boxers continue to belittle these guys. High-level wrestling is every bit (MORE!) technical than boxing, and requires a higher level of conditioning.

[mr.anthrax]

Yes, but you also have to understand where Jones was coming from. I respect MMA no doubt but I will admit there is more PURE skill in boxing. You never hear of an MMA guy going into boxing but you do see boxers make that transition. I think there are so many ways you can win in MMA that, you have a greater chance of success making the transition from boxing to MMA not the other way around.

Grappling changes the dynamic of the sport so much, it's almost impossible to become a world class striker like you can in boxing. You are too worried about defending the take down, elbows, knees, kicks ect. Thats why you hardly see great body punching in MMA because it's almost impossible to do.

This is an excellent post because you pointed out what so many people (apparently) just can't see. The threat of grappling does change mma fights almost entirely.

The Gracie family were the folks most responsible for getting the UFC started here in the U.S. and they had every intention of doing so to expose people to the dominance of grappling over traditional martial artists that are pure "strikers."

The combination of highly skilled grappling against the "other guys" total ignorance was brutal and rather sad. For most peope, this was the sounding of the alarm to learn some "ground" technique.

The same guys that had spent years learning to kick over the top of most downtown skysc****rs started spending most of their training time "rolling" on the mat with wrestlers and other forms of grappling practitioners. The tone of the mma world was set into motion and probally wont ever change.

For me personally I truly have mixed emotions about grappling, both in "real life" street fights and the mma world. I come from a martial arts background (Wing Chun, Kali blended with Thai, blah blah blah but a rather small portion of ground fighting) but I ended up boxing for a short period of time after doing the other stuff first.

The point of this is to say that I have learned to fight from kicking, punching, and trapping range comfortably, but this seldom applies to the mma world simply because most of these guys shoot for the take down the very first chance they get. That really drives me bonkers because I don't get to see enough of my favorite techniques in most mma. The exception to the rule is usually when watching Pride Fighting, (unless I am crazy) I swear those guys mix it up more.

I haven't had a fight out on the street in years but unfortunately I have had that happen a few times. I have found that "basic" boxing works very well, and is even more effective when combined with with a few well placed/timed knees, LOW kicks, and a few simple moves from Kali. That has just been my experience though.

When I think back I haven't been on the ground that much in fights except for when I really knew nothing about fighting at all. I don't mean that as in insult to grapplers, it's just that most of what I have seen of people fighting on the ground was about bad balance and people who were not that too skilled going wild.

That might not be the case anymore though. These days I am certain that "kids" and younger guys have probally been over-dosing on the UFC and are more likely to try some take-downs and some form of ground and pound. I am considering taking lessons over at 1bad65's BJJ school ( we live in the same city) to ensure that I will know what to do, and what NOT to do in those situations.

Sorry for the lengthy post, I hope it didn't sound ******, arrogant, or goofy.

I'm not being an ass, but just go WATCH a BJJ class one day. Yes, boxing is the 'Sweet Science'. But grappling has it's own little details, its intricacies. Sometimes the difference between getting a submission and not getting it is just a few inches.


Again, take your mouth into an MMA gym and drop a challenge. Bruce Lee advocated CROSS-TRAINING, keeping what works and dropping what does not. That's MMA right there, moron. They use Boxing and Muay Thai for striking, they use Judo and Wrestling for takedowns, and they use BJJ for submissions. It's a mix of stuff from MANY styles.

This is perfectly true. Although Bruce is gone his teachings will live on forever, in particular, through his number one student Dan Inosanto. Guru Dan is certified to teach about 15 different styles and this includes BJJ, shoot wrestling, sambo, etc. The reason for this is an incredible passion for the arts combined with the NEED to know each aspect of fighting which includes a thorough knowledge of grappling.

[1bad65]

Dan Inosanto is a Black Belt in BJJ too. I believe Chuck Norris has a Brown Belt in BJJ.