My top 20 P4P (Ricky now cracks top 10 at #7)

**oldgringo** · 06-26-2007, 01:41 PM

Solid list, outside of Juan Manuel Marquez being ahead of Rafael, no signs of Chad Dawson, Calzaghe is low, and Klitschko is there at all. I think I'd also have Kessler above Malignaggi...as he is much more accomplished.

Marquez hasn't lost in what seems like 7-8 years now, he crushed everybody at Bantamweight, and he just did away with (in impressive fashion) the reason why everybody used to criticize him. He moved up in weight and beat the recognized Super Bantam champion...now he's the man at 122. The guy has evolved as a fighter and he arguably has the most 2 fisted power in the sport. He's better than his brother and he is certainly right up there with the Pacquiao's and Wright's of the sport. Johnsonx2, Austin, Pastranax2, Ruiz, Mabuzax2, Vazquez and virtually every other top challenger to him. He's a beast.

Calzaghe should be right up among the top 5-7 fighters in the sport. Like him or not, he's obviously very skilled, he's undefeated, and he continues to prove his superiority over everyone he faces. He trumped the best American SMW title holder in Lacy and he has beaten other solid fighters as well.

Dawson, outside of Floyd Mayweather, is probably the best American fighter today, even if he's not the most accomplished. I truly believe that. This kid has the GOODS. Great handspeed, footwork, solid punching power, an EXCELLENT right jab, great combination punching behind that jab, sound defense, and improving work to the body. The kid really has every punch in the book. He has now beaten an underrated champion in Tomasz Adamek, an underrated ex-champion in Eric Harding, and he just absolutely crushed JEsus Ruiz...who held his own with the likes of Montell Griffin and Paul Briggs. Dawson will be a mainstay in championship LHW and CW boxing for years to come.

Klitshcko just shouldn't be on a p4p list. I know he's smoking everybody put in front of him,, and he's very skilled, but if size were not a factor, he wouldn't be blowing his opponents out like this. Obviously it's not his fault that he's got the advantage, but I still think that this aspect, coupled with his weak'ish opposition, should keep him off any type of p4p list. If he starts unifying and takes out the guys like Changaev & Ibragimov, it'll be hard to not recognize him though.

Good job the rest of the way though.

**msagrain** · 06-26-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by deliveryman

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Winky Wright
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Rafael Marquez
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Jermaine Taylor
9. Joel Casamayor
10. Joe Calzaghe
11. Miguel Cotto
12. Marco Antonio Barrera
13. Shane Mosley
14. Oscar De La Hoya
15. Paulie Malignaggi
16. Wladimir Klitschko
17. Mikkel Kessler
18. Juan Diaz
19. Joan Guzman
20. Vic Darchinyan

If Winky loses against BHOP, expect him to drop to around 4 or 5, and Bernard to move up to #3.

wasnt you saying the other day that delahya would kick hattons ass so whys he high than dlh on you p4p?

**TRUE WARRIOR** · 06-26-2007, 02:22 PM

your list is a joke. where is margarito?

**FIGHTING_FLIP** · 06-26-2007, 03:38 PM

noooo margarito is a joke

**Kball15** · 06-26-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by deliveryman

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Winky Wright
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Rafael Marquez
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Jermaine Taylor
9. Joel Casamayor
10. Joe Calzaghe
11. Miguel Cotto
12. Marco Antonio Barrera
13. Shane Mosley
14. Oscar De La Hoya
15. Paulie Malignaggi
16. Wladimir Klitschko
17. Mikkel Kessler
18. Juan Diaz
19. Joan Guzman
20. Vic Darchinyan

If Winky loses against BHOP, expect him to drop to around 4 or 5, and Bernard to move up to #3.

the top 10 is pretty good, but i would change around the 11-20

I like to think there are more then 20 fighters more talented the Paulie Malignaggi... Paulie looked great against NDOU, but NDOU doesnt get you that high on the list IMO. Every single fighter you have below him is better, except Darchinyan. So maybe id have Paulie at 19

And Kelly Pavlik is far and away better, and has beaten better oposition, then Vic Darchinyan.

And i would have Juan Diaz above Mikkel Kessler, so i would switch them around. Both were dominant in there most recent fights, but Freitas is a bigger name and a better fighter then Andrade

**wolfgang** · 06-26-2007, 03:45 PM

I thought it was a great list I would have had rafael and barrera ahead of juan manuel, and have taken off paulie and vic.

**Derranged_** · 06-26-2007, 03:47 PM

If Floyd is retired when does his p4p status dissolve?

**sonofisis** · 06-26-2007, 03:50 PM

Why is De La Hoya in that list?

**passdabutter** · 06-26-2007, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by deliveryman

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Winky Wright
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Rafael Marquez
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Jermaine Taylor
9. Joel Casamayor
10. Joe Calzaghe
11. Miguel Cotto
12. Marco Antonio Barrera
13. Shane Mosley
14. Oscar De La Hoya
15. Paulie Malignaggi
16. Wladimir Klitschko
17. Mikkel Kessler
18. Juan Diaz
19. Joan Guzman
20. Vic Darchinyan

If Winky loses against BHOP, expect him to drop to around 4 or 5, and Bernard to move up to #3.

margarito or williams should be on there

My top 20 P4P (Ricky now cracks top 10 at #7)