A Good Amatuer Boxer Doesn't Always Make a Good Pro Boxer

[Technical_Skill]

During the course of many discussions on here people have used a fighters Amatuer record to justify the fact that he is a good professional fighter. Im not sure that being a good amatuer means that you will be a good pro, thus is shall now name names,

Dominic Guinn was he not a promising Amatuer?

Audely Harisson, you know what happened there (lol)

Sultan Ibragimov, does he look like an olympic silver medalist in the pro game, i dont think so.

I think the amatuer game is different, perhaps even another sport to pro boxing for the following reasons.

-Different scoring system where judges score each landed punch individually.
-The scoring system rewards headshots rather than body shots.
- I would argue that defence is less of a priority in the amatuer boxing because the rounds are so few, you have to attack more.
-Protective gear.

Also amatuer boxing is quite subjective at times and the scoring has been known to be horrible, i have seen many fights where judges have counted shots that have been blocked, i think alot of fights come down to indvidual interpretation alot more than in pro boxing.

So therefore i would say perhaps amatuer sucess does not mean someone will be a sucessful professional fighter, i am open to a change of opinion though.

[porlie]

Amatuer and pro completely different ,theres only boxing where the difference between pro and amatuer rules is so vast. A good amatuer wont always be a good pro but equally a good pro wont always have been a good amatuer.
Anyone remember Michael Carruth??? lol exactly.

[Technical_Skill]

Amatuer and pro completely different ,theres only boxing where the difference between pro and amatuer rules is so vast. A good amatuer wont always be a good pro but equally a good pro wont always have been a good amatuer.
Anyone remember Michael Carruth??? lol exactly.

Remember Amir Khan on saturday? i bump this thread in honour of him.

The idea is to improve on amateur skills and develop them into skills that will help you in the pro game, i dont think he has done this yet.

[Steelhammer86]

So people who do well in the amateurs do poorly in the pros, Technical_Schizo?

Mohammed Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko all won Olympic Gold medals.

Technical_Schizo, don't start threads unless you have some idea of what you're posting about - otherwise, people will think you're a fool.

[Technical_Skill]

So people who do well in the amateurs do poorly in the pros, Technical_Schizo?

lol

So therefore i would say perhaps amatuer sucess does not mean someone will be a sucessful professional fighter, i am open to a change of opinion though.

notice the difference.

[SHB]

Well, duh. History is littered with high profile success and failure stories for those transitioning from the amateur to professional ranks. For every Ali there were a hundred Harrison's.

In all fairness to Khan he's fought decent opposition. At the end of the day he was a pretty raw amateur and even rawer professional. He'd have been better served going for gold in Beijing next year (a nailed on win of course) and then turning professional at a better age. You can't blame him for grabbing a multi-million pound contract. Different argument to Ordinary though - who chased the gold but meant he was too old to have much of a professional career.

You'd struggle to find a genuine P4P fighter who wasn't also a top amateur though. That's not the same as a medal winning amateur though as that whole system is more corrupt than the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO combined.

[Technical_Skill]

Well, duh. History is littered with high profile success and failure stories for those transitioning from the amateur to professional ranks. For every Ali there were a hundred Harrison's.

In all fairness to Khan he's fought decent opposition. At the end of the day he was a pretty raw amateur and even rawer professional. He'd have been better served going for gold in Beijing next year (a nailed on win of course) and then turning professional at a better age. You can't blame him for grabbing a multi-million pound contract. Different argument to Ordinary though - who chased the gold but meant he was too old to have much of a professional career.

You'd struggle to find a genuine P4P fighter who wasn't also a top amateur though. That's not the same as a medal winning amateur though as that whole system is more corrupt than the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO combined.

Yeah to be honest im talking about boxing styles too, Amir Khan's style is still amatuer, meaning its very fast paced, lots of combinations and an emphasis of closing the distance and going to the head.

All hallmark signs of a 4 round fight where fighter dont have as much time to make an impression and headshots are scored per-punch.

Thing is, he still fights that way for a 12 rounder, which is ******, he needs to pace himself, you cant just go in the fight and consistently throw those kind of combos at that regularity for 12 rounds, especially when that was his 1st 12 round fight.

He needs to build up on professional skills, which means, more bodywork, more jabbing (like he did earlier on against limond), he is still way too offensive and doesnt wait long enough for openings.

[kayjay]

notice the difference.

As a former logic teacher I offer my services to Joe via pm.

Either that or type 'illicit conversion' in google.

[Poet682006]

A perfect example is Henry Tillman. He beat Tyson twice in the amatuers but was blown out in one in the pros.

Poet

[tyson]

It's a totally different sport. Those who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about.

Firstly, the scoring system in amateur is utter crap. Mere touches with the white part of the glove score just as much as a knockdown.

Secondly, the gloves (Green Hill) stops 80% of the punch impact, according to tests.

Thirdly, to succeed in the amateurs, you need to rely entirely on a high punch output, as judges will score even when punches get blocked.

Have you ever tried being hit with a pro glove? Feels like being hit in the head with a brick. You can push your finger right through the glove and feel the knuckles.
In the pro's, you need to have some kind of strategy, because the other guy can and will knock you out if you don't. They know how you fight, your weaknesses, all that ****.

You can't compare the two sports, it's totally different.
The reason good amateurs become good professionals is technique and level of opposition. They constantly fight and train with the best, so they are among the best...