Who Has Cotto vs Paulie?

**deliveryman** · 06-20-2007, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by DLT

If you have it, can you please put it on here. Im going to now say something that Ive only said like one time on here but no one noticed it and I never really wanted to talk about it because I felt that I was in the extreme minority but I will again say it. I actually had Paulie winning that fight. Now, Ive only seen it once and that was like a week and a half after the fight. At that time I had already heard everyone's scores so when I watched the fight I may have been biased and tried to give Paulie rounds that maybe he didnt deserve. I dont think I did that but there's a posibility.

I had Paulie winning and at the very least it was a draw. If you had it one round for Cotto I wouldnt have been upset and I would probally be ok if you had it Cotto by 2 rounds but most had the fight not even close. I just completely disagree. I still have that fight but havent watched it since. I would rewatch it now but Im scared that I might have Paulie winning again and that would make me so mad. Thats why I dont rewatch it.

I heard a few people saying Paulie won and a few saying it was a draw. I heard a few writers saying the same thing. Most fans had Cotto winning fairly easy but gave Paulie credit for his toughness and most writers said the same thing. Some writers and fans say that it was a flat out beating. I just never saw that. Again, I may have a different opinion if I rewatch it but I cant bring myself to do it yet. It just kind of makes me think about fans not giving the boxer any credit against the brawler. I felt Paulie boxed beautifully but I know that everyone hates guys like him now and loves guys like Cotto. Thats why I feel that they want to give guys like Cotto all those rounds. If he lands a 2 hard shots and follows Paulie the whole round then people will say that he won that round because they hate seeing guys sticking & moving but I felt Paulie was landing some good shots and boxing perfectly.

I would like for someone to pull the fight up and see if there scores got any closer since it seems like Paulie is gaining a few fans now. I felt even that one announcer felt like me. You could tell by the way he was talking that he thought it was close and wouldnt be shocked if the judges had Paulie ahead or had it very close. Its just that nowdays people hate guys who fight like that most of the time and they love the brawlers so they will always give them those rounds now. I also believe that Paulie feels the same way as me. I think he feels exactly like me. I think he wants to say that he thought he won but wont do it because he know's what the reviews were. He thinks he would look dumb if he said that even if he really believes that. Thats why he wants that rematch so bad.

If you have it at home or somone pulls it up, can you rewatch it and give me your real score. Tell me if it has changed since you rewatched it, tell me if you still had Cotto winning clearly but some rounds were closer then you thought, and tell me if you still think Cotto just killed him. Please dont be a hater at all. If your going to put on blinders then dont respond. I will rewatch it and tell you my real score. I wont lie either. If I rewatch it and think that Cotto now killed him then I will say so. Am I the only one who felt that Paulie won or was alot closer then people had him or had more close rounds then people gave him credit for?

Sorry DLT, you're one of the few people I really respect on this forum, but there's no way Paulie won that fight.

True it's a tad closer than people make it out to be, but from Cotto's KD in the second round, and battering Malignaggi around the ring for the last 2-3 rounds, especially the championship rounds, I don't see how someone could have scored it for Paulie.

Yes Paulie did have his moments, and definitely took some rounds, especially during the middle rounds, where he was able to outbox Cotto with lots of lateral movement and a consistent jab, but those rounds were too few and far inbetween to deserve a decision.

Cotto out landed him and also had the far more effective punches, and was able to get to Paul consistently throughout the fight. Maybe if the ring wasn't as small as it was, Paulie could of done a bit better.

**DLT** · 06-20-2007, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by deliveryman

Sorry DLT, you're one of the few people I really respect on this forum, but there's no way Paulie won that fight.

True it's a tad closer than people make it out to be, but from Cotto's KD in the second round, and battering Malignaggi around the round for the last 2-3 rounds, especially the championship rounds, I don't see how someone could have scored it for Paulie.

Yes Paulie did have his moments, and definitely took some rounds, especially during the middle rounds, where he was able to outbox Cotto with lots of lateral movement and a consistent jab, but those rounds were too few and far inbetween to deserve a decision.

Fair assesment. How did you score it?

**deliveryman** · 06-20-2007, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by DLT

Fair assesment. How did you score it?

I believe I scored it 7-5/8-4 Cotto, with the KD, 115-112, or 116-111, somewhere in that range.

**Alien_Tanks** · 06-20-2007, 01:19 AM

Your best bet is to download it from *******.
There you can find the fight in numerous formats such as .AVI or VOB=DVD.
But if you don't want to try *******,
Then..

Here you go:

Filename: Cotto v Malignaggi.avi
Filesize: 476.42 MB

http://www.**********.com/?d=LV9VZVJ9

Cotto won the fight but it was not impressive only because Cotto broke his hand.

Paulie looked like he was hit by a truck after the fight was over.

Cotto is just good at catching these little runners.

Enjoy.

Cotto would catch Mayweather Jr., and make him his little running *****.

Paulie has more heart than Floyd.
And Paulie is not a bad fighter.

I respect Paulie more today than I do Mayweather Jr.

**El Jesus** · 06-20-2007, 01:21 AM

cotto won the fight, hands down, malignaggi just did enough to make it respectable.

**DLT** · 06-20-2007, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Alien_Tanks

Your best bet is to download it from *******.
There you can find the fight in numerous formats such as .AVI or VOB=DVD.
But if you don't want to try *******,
Then..

Here you go:

Filename: Cotto v Malignaggi.avi
Filesize: 476.42 MB

http://www.**********.com/?d=LV9VZVJ9

Cotto won the fight but it was not impressive only because Cotto broke his hand.

Paulie looked like he was hit by a truck after the fight was over.

Cotto is just good at catching these little runners.

Enjoy.

Cotto would catch Mayweather Jr., and make him his little running *****.

Paulie has more heart than Floyd.
And Paulie is not a bad fighter.

I respect Paulie more today than I do Mayweather Jr.

I dont know if I believe those broken hand stories. It seems as though fighters always say that when it doesnt go exactly how they want it to. Cotto won and busted him up but everyone thought he would Knock him out and Paulie did do better then alot of people expected so thats where I always think alot of this hand stuff comes from. He also hated Paulie and wanted to Knock him out so I think he felt bad about doing it. I dont think we wouldve heard that hand story if Paulie had some of the victories that he's had since that fight. Back then alot of people still saw him as a club fighter so I think Cotto felt bad about not finishing him.

As for Cotto catching guys, I dont think this is a great example because he didnt really have to catch Paulie. I think that was Paulie's big mistake in this fight and he admitted aftewards. He tried to fight with Cotto way too much. He didnt stay outside like he shouldve. The ring was small so he says thats why he did it but I think that was his game plan all along. He shouldve just boxed more. The part about Floyd is so ****** that I wont even bother responding to that because its so clear that your hate for him wont allow you to say anything reasonable

**-Antonio-** · 06-20-2007, 01:28 AM

You know I didnt see the Malignaggi fight for a while because A) I had prom the night of the PPV, and B) I wasnt able to download the fight. So when I finally saw it on Versus sometime last year, I was shocked by how close it was. I thought it was going to be onesided, and it wasnt. I thought Paulie won atleast four rounds. he did well in the middle rounds of the fight, but the fact that Cotto knocked him down, and almost had him out before the final bell makes it look worse than it was.

116-111 is the way I see it, and 115-112 is possible too.

**Left2body** · 06-20-2007, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by DLT

I dont know if I believe those broken hand stories. It seems as though fighters always say that when it doesnt go exactly how they want it to. Cotto won and busted him up but everyone thought he would Knock him out and Paulie did do better then alot of people expected so thats where I always think alot of this hand stuff comes from. He also hated Paulie and wanted to Knock him out so I think he felt bad about doing it. I dont think we wouldve heard that hand story if Paulie had some of the victories that he's had since that fight. Back then alot of people still saw him as a club fighter so I think Cotto felt bad about not finishing him.

As for Cotto catching guys, I dont think this is a great example because he didnt really have to catch Paulie. I think that was Paulie's big mistake in this fight and he admitted aftewards. He tried to fight with Cotto way too much. He didnt stay outside like he shouldve. The ring was small so he says thats why he did it but I think that was his game plan all along. He shouldve just boxed more

It wasn't broken but it was injured. When you get the clip of the fight pay attention to the middle rounds. You'll see Cotto shake his glove as if he had a spray can in it.

You'll also notice at the end of the fight when they are taking off Cotto's left glove he YELPS.

The thing thats remarkable about this fight is that it shows how much making weight at 140lbs took out of Cotto. Cotto has since stated that he could only fight in burst towards the end of his jrWW career and it shows.

As a full WW we have seen him have a much higher energy level and consistent work rate than previously he showed in his last few fights at jrWW.

**DLT** · 06-20-2007, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by -Antonio-

You know I didnt see the Malignaggi fight for a while because A) I had prom the night of the PPV, and B) I wasnt able to download the fight. So when I finally saw it on Versus sometime last year, I was shocked by how close it was. I thought it was going to be onesided, and it wasnt. I thought Paulie won atleast four rounds. he did well in the middle rounds of the fight, but the fact that Cotto knocked him down, and almost had him out before the final bell makes it look worse than it was.

116-111 is the way I see it, and 115-112 is possible too.

See, this is my point. You, delivery, and some others said that its possible that it couldve been 115-112. That means you had it 7 rounds to 5. Even if thats the real case, then you couldnt really argue much with a guy who wouldve gave just 1 more round to Paulie and have it 6-6. He still wouldve lost because of the KO but anyone could see that it was basically a flash knock down and a nervous knock down. Cotto had been there and done that but that was Paulie's 1st big fight. He didnt even really have any warmups. He went from basically fighting bums to fighting a monster in his very next fight. Thats why he got that Knock down. You could tell that the stage was too big for him early but then he settled down. I thought it was a great performance considering all of that and I hope he gets another big fight with someone soon

Who Has Cotto vs Paulie?