Barrera's Trainer to train Israel Vazquez for Rafael Marquez!!!! Joe Goossen out!

**Famoso Matador** · 06-17-2007, 10:35 AM

What happened to Roach?

**Gareth Ivanovic** · 06-17-2007, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Famoso Matador

What happened to Roach?

That's what I thought wasn't he with Roach. I know Roach has been going with the big names of late with DLH and B-Hop, but I didn't know Vasquez left Roach to go to Goosen and then now to Barrera's trainer.

**Stickman** · 06-17-2007, 10:40 AM

Vasquez's problem with Marquez wasn't his trainer. He just stepped into a ring with someone he couldn't beat at that time. Marquez is very durable, a HUGE puncher at that weight class, and has good technical skill. Vasquez is probably a bit more skilled than Marquez, and very nearly the puncher, but proved to be slightly less durable. No shame in it, sometimes there are guys who's combined attributes make them impossible for you to beat. You might beat someone who beat them, but they're impossible for you. Also, who's to say what'll happen in the rematch? If Vasquez can get on Marquez early, he might get the stoppage. I think both fighters are great, and while Marquez is my favorite to win this one, I wouldn't be upset no matter who came out on top. This is going to be one of my favorites this year.

**Gareth Ivanovic** · 06-17-2007, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Stickman

Vasquez's problem with Marquez wasn't his trainer. He just stepped into a ring with someone he couldn't beat at that time. Marquez is very durable, a HUGE puncher at that weight class, and has good technical skill. Vasquez is probably a bit more skilled than Marquez, and very nearly the puncher, but proved to be slightly less durable. No shame in it, sometimes there are guys who's combined attributes make them impossible for you to beat. You might beat someone who beat them, but they're impossible for you. Also, who's to say what'll happen in the rematch? If Vasquez can get on Marquez early, he might get the stoppage. I think both fighters are great, and while Marquez is my favorite to win this one, I wouldn't be upset no matter who came out on top. This is going to be one of my favorites this year.

Your right, but the only thing I would say is that Marquez is definitely the more skilled boxer out of the two. In there first fight he was connecting the harder and more effective punches. Plus beating Vasquez to the punch with his straighter punches.

**Zerwas1** · 06-17-2007, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Stickman

Vasquez's problem with Marquez wasn't his trainer. He just stepped into a ring with someone he couldn't beat at that time. Marquez is very durable, a HUGE puncher at that weight class, and has good technical skill. Vasquez is probably a bit more skilled than Marquez, and very nearly the puncher, but proved to be slightly less durable. No shame in it, sometimes there are guys who's combined attributes make them impossible for you to beat. You might beat someone who beat them, but they're impossible for you. Also, who's to say what'll happen in the rematch? If Vasquez can get on Marquez early, he might get the stoppage. I think both fighters are great, and while Marquez is my favorite to win this one, I wouldn't be upset no matter who came out on top. This is going to be one of my favorites this year.

Vasquez more skilled than Marquez? Are you sure?

**Stickman** · 06-17-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by IncuFan

Your right, but the only thing I would say is that Marquez is definitely the more skilled boxer out of the two. In there first fight he was connecting the harder and more effective punches. Plus beating Vasquez to the punch with his straighter punches.

I guess I'm going to have to watch the fight again, it's been awhile. I could be mistaken. Gee, what a terrible way to have to spend an hour or so on a Sunday, eh?

**.::|ULTIMATE|::.** · 06-17-2007, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Famoso Matador

What happened to Roach?

I read that Roach is simply to busy for Vasquez and he let Goossen have him.

**Nimexicatl** · 06-17-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by .::|ULTIMATE|::.

I just read that Israel Vasquez left Joe Goossen and Rudy Perez, Barrera's trainer will train Vasquez instead!!!!

Just an update.

Well you got our info . just a little wrong...

Vazquez drop Goosen as a trainer 2 weeks ago.. and he has been currently training with JUSTIN FORTUNE in the Pound4pound Gym in La brea..

**.::|ULTIMATE|::.** · 06-17-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Nimexicatl

Well you got our info . just a little wrong...

Vazquez drop Goosen as a trainer 2 weeks ago.. and he has been currently training with JUSTIN FORTUNE in the Pound4pound Gym in La brea..

I doubt thats a permanent arrangement you talk about. Rudy Perez leaves for Los Angeles today to train Israel.

Frank Espinosa, Israel's manager offered rudy the job and he accepted. Rudy said he was flying to LA today.

Israel is expecting rudy according to the article.

Maybe you need to check again or something. Because Rudy and Israel both expressed that they will be working together. So unless you are Frank Espinosa himself or someone who can legally or monetarilly come between them I dont see how the information i just posted can be considered wrong until proven otherwise.

Barrera's Trainer to train Israel Vazquez for Rafael Marquez!!!! Joe Goossen out!