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Exactly. Willie pep won a round without throwing a single punch, and to THIS DAY, we still talk about it.
THAT is the essence of greatness. The watchability of something over and over, the 'OMG did you see that!?' factor. THAT is greatness.
Where are PBF's moments like that? Where's his 'OMG did you freakin' see that? That was amazing! I had no idea he was even capable of that! Even for a man with his skills, that was amazing!'. Don't bother looking, because he doesn't have them. His career is one giant missed opportunity combined with him doing the bare minimum to obtain victory.
And that, friend, is not greatness. Skill, perhaps. Talent, most certainly. But not greatness.Comment
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I can point out quite a few moments. Firstly, how about shutting out and totally dominating an undefeated Diego Corrales knocking him down 5 times... when previously he had been KD 0 times. Secondly, how about one of the most dominating title winning performances of all time against Gatti. Sure Gatti was no A level fighter but I have never seen a championship fight that one sided. I could finish off by saying that he won a title at 154 when he walks around at 150. That is GREAT. We may not like the WAY he does it but face it I don't see boxers accomplishing the things he accomplished very often.Comment
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oscar was hurt? okay, maybe he was, but oh well, he lost. the fight is over people. he lost, deal with it. no rematch needed.
and trust me, people will talk about the gatti dismantle by mayweather for years to come. i have friends who put that as mayweather's greatest victory. it's funny how willie pep wins a round without thrwoing a punch, but it's still talked about, but when mayweather wins a round by throwing some punches, and avoiding punishment, he gets called scared and boring. he landed more than pep did didn't he? you damn right he did, and his fight with corrales and gatti will be talked about for years to come trust me, especially gatti.Comment
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Is that the same deigo corrales that was on his way to prison? The same diego corrales that was fighting in a weight division he had NO BUSINESS being in? The same Corrales that tends to have a hard time with anyone that has any actual boxing skill? THAT corrales? IDK, maybe at the time it was more impressive cuz less people knew about corrales? 5 kds are pretty cool, especially if he'd never been down before.
And gatti had been KOed before, and in more spectacular fashions. Come now, you can't say that actually SURPRIZED you did it? LOL, eveyone knew what that was.
And 154....people win championchips all the time. Something as quiet and subtle as a weight difference doesn't really resonate with greatness.
Your final line tells it all. The WAY something is accomplished is what greatness is all about. If there were no knockdowns in the first round of Pac vs JMM, JMMs tie wouldn't be NEARLY as impressive. If Vargas vs Tito didn't have any low blows, or KDs, or swollen eyes or thumbs....it wouldn't be remembered NEARLY as vividly.
PBF rarely outperforms what the boxing public assumes he'll do. This is detrimental to his greatness.Comment
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Bull****. Oscar you lost deal with it. Uhh my finger hurt my **** hurt, you took the fight deal with it.Comment
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Make all the excuses about Corrales you want but as far as I know he took the fight and was undefeated when he took it. Plenty of people favored him going into that fight go back and look. Then look at the way he was completely dismantled and it is impressive. The Gatti fight was impressive in the WAY he blew him out. Of course I thought Mayweather would win but not that easily and getting hit that little. And simply dismissing the fact that Mayweather won a title 4 weight classes above where he started is foolish. That would be like dismissing Hopkins' win over Tarver as not great. They both were great because of the circumstances even if the performance wasn't memorable for you.Comment
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