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  • robjr
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    in his and anyone elses prime I dont think anyone in history beats him at middleweight in history. he was very strong at 168 aswell.. I think he moved up solely to make more history, and by the time he was at 175 for a while he was comfortable there.. yea he would easily be up there if was still at 160..

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    • Pandaman64
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      #12
      HELL YES.

      I think RJJ is the single biggest wasted talent in the history of boxing. If he'd gotten a better trainer and managed his career better, he'd STILL be the 160 king, P4P #1 fighter that everyone would talk about.

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      • maxorido
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        #13
        Originally posted by Pandaman64
        HELL YES.

        I think RJJ is the single biggest wasted talent in the history of boxing. If he'd gotten a better trainer and managed his career better, he'd STILL be the 160 king, P4P #1 fighter that everyone would talk about.
        The single biggest waste? That's bull**** man, he did manage to win multiple world titles, make most of his opponents look like amatuers, and move up to heavyweight to capture one of the belts. He also had a very active career, unlike alot of fighters and champions. Roy probably could have done things different and accomplished a bit more, but the single biggest waste? Hell no man, that title is reserved for Mike Tyson.

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        • DLT
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          #14
          Originally posted by robjr
          in his and anyone elses prime I dont think anyone in history beats him at middleweight in history. he was very strong at 168 aswell.. I think he moved up solely to make more history, and by the time he was at 175 for a while he was comfortable there.. yea he would easily be up there if was still at 160..
          I dont think the 160 part is true. If you rewatch the Hopkins fight then I think he gave him the toughest fight or RJ's career until he lost to Tarver and that Hopkins was nothing compared to a prime Hopkins. RJ only stayed at 160 until he was 25. A prime Hopkins would beat a 25 year old RJ without a doubt

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          • Tyson Jones
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            #15
            roy jones won every round of that fight.................bryant brannon put up a better fight ( while it lasted )

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              #16
              Originally posted by DLT
              I dont think the 160 part is true. If you rewatch the Hopkins fight then I think he gave him the toughest fight or RJ's career until he lost to Tarver and that Hopkins was nothing compared to a prime Hopkins. RJ only stayed at 160 until he was 25. A prime Hopkins would beat a 25 year old RJ without a doubt
              no... nothin against hopkins.. but his style is made for a fighter like Roy. pot shot victory.

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              • Pandaman64
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                #17
                Originally posted by maxorido
                The single biggest waste? That's bull**** man, he did manage to win multiple world titles, make most of his opponents look like amatuers, and move up to heavyweight to capture one of the belts. He also had a very active career, unlike alot of fighters and champions. Roy probably could have done things different and accomplished a bit more, but the single biggest waste? Hell no man, that title is reserved for Mike Tyson.
                Bull****?

                Name five notable opponents he's had. Really, aside from hopkins, toney, and aguably tarver, he hasn't fought anyone. In essence he wasted his career on people that had no business fighting on the SAME CARD as him. Let alone against him! Had his talent been properly cultivated into talent, he would've not only easily KOd tarver (not outpointed, KOd), but he would STILL be reigning as the P4P king today, NO QUESTION.

                That, my friend, is called WASTED TALENT.

                Although Id never considered tyson for a waste of talent. You may have a point there, don king messed that man uuuuup.

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                • hemichromis
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                  #18
                  i think a weak chin will hold anyone back from being considered number 1 but i do believe he was something special in the way he fought so differently and yet it worked so well

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Pandaman64
                    Bull****?

                    Name five notable opponents he's had. Really, aside from hopkins, toney, and aguably tarver, he hasn't fought anyone. In essence he wasted his career on people that had no business fighting on the SAME CARD as him. Let alone against him! Had his talent been properly cultivated into talent, he would've not only easily KOd tarver (not outpointed, KOd), but he would STILL be reigning as the P4P king today, NO QUESTION.

                    That, my friend, is called WASTED TALENT.

                    Although Id never considered tyson for a waste of talent. You may have a point there, don king messed that man uuuuup.
                    What was Sugar Ray Leonard doing at 35 and 36? Fighters get old at different times...ecspecially ones who depend on speed and reflexes. When Ali was 35 and 36 he wasn't fighting like the Ali that beat Liston. At 36 he lost to Leon Spinks and at 35 he pulled out a hard fight with Earnie Shavers. But he didn't look like himself...
                    Last edited by Truth; 06-16-2007, 01:03 PM.

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                    • Truth
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Pandaman64
                      Bull****?

                      Name five notable opponents he's had. Really, aside from hopkins, toney, and aguably tarver, he hasn't fought anyone.
                      James Toney
                      Bernard Hopkins
                      Virgil Hill
                      Reggie Johnson
                      Montell Griffin
                      Mike Mccallum
                      Antonio Tarver
                      Eric Harding
                      Thulani Malinga
                      Eric Lucas
                      David Tolesco

                      I think most would agree that these fighters are not bums. Its just reality. Now listen I'm a realist, I know that Jones didn't always fight the best opponents but overall he had a very solid resume. And I also agree that there are guys he should have faught. Although being that I am a realist I will also say that its not all Roy's fault some of the fights didn't happen.

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