Is Ricky Hatton allowed to talk P4P?

[oldgringo]

I think Hatton can talk p4p. The guy has beaten a Tszyu, Collazo, Maussa, Urango and Oliveira in his last 5...which isn't anything special but those guys were fair overall. You have to give him credit for being undefeated, for being a 2 time Jr. Welter champ and for holding a strap at 147. I had him beating Collazo by a hair...114-113...edging the fight because of the knockdown.

I don't think it's a crime to have Ricky just inside your list of the 10 best fighters in the sport. He doesn't currently have an equal at his natural weight...we'll see if hes still got it when he fights a tough hombre in Castillo.

[me2007]

thats a good summary of Hatton.

[Technical_Skill]

I think Hatton can talk p4p. The guy has beaten a Tszyu, Collazo, Maussa, Urango and Oliveira in his last 5...which isn't anything special but those guys were fair overall. You have to give him credit for being undefeated, for being a 2 time Jr. Welter champ and for holding a strap at 147. I had him beating Collazo by a hair...114-113...edging the fight because of the knockdown.

I don't think it's a crime to have Ricky just inside your list of the 10 best fighters in the sport. He doesn't currently have an equal at his natural weight...we'll see if hes still got it when he fights a tough hombre in Castillo.

If we go on the true meaning of pound for pound, the best fighters in the world when the attributes are not affected by weight, basically skill for skill where weight plays no factor in the outcome of a fight.

Is ricky hatton better than the following ten fighters?

Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Zab Judah
Floyd Mayweather
Joe Calzaghe
Rafael Marquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Wladimir Klitschko

[OptimusWolf]

TS, stop imposing your view of P4P on everyone else.

Judah has a loss to Baldomir - what else is there to say
Oscar needs to win the first 7 rounds of every fight he's in now cos he's got less stamina than Hatton after a night on the kebabs
Shane - one quality win and he'll be back in there no doubt.
JMM - v good fighter but don't forget his non-performance against Chris John, recently.
Wlad - well we don't usually include heavies in P4P, but sure, he's up there if you did.

[oldgringo]

If we go on the true meaning of pound for pound, the best fighters in the world when the attributes are not affected by weight, basically skill for skill where weight plays no factor in the outcome of a fight.

Is ricky hatton better than the following ten fighters?

Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Zab Judah
Floyd Mayweather
Joe Calzaghe
Rafael Marquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Wladimir Klitschko

Since skill doesn't dictate everything, I think Hatton could be right around anyone's 9 or 10 slot in a pound for pound list.

To answer your question, if all of these guys were the same size, I could see Hatton stylistically beating guys like JM Marquez, Zab Judah, and Wladimir Klitschko. Klitschko is obviously skilled, but he's also (partially) a product of his disgusting advantages in sheer size and length. If he were smaller I can't say that he'd be capable of fighting like he does. Judah has shown that he has trouble with his focus down the stretch of fights. He'd have problems with a tough guy like Hatton who would mug him and would be able to take some of the initial punishment Zab had to dish out. Marquez likes to counter, likes to box from the outside. Hatton doesn't like to give his opponents room has a pretty solid work rate. That'd be a good fight as I could see both guys hitting each other a lot.

Anywho, I'm not even saying he's among the top 5/6/7 fighters in the sport, but he has accomplished a good deal and he's undefeated with no single fighter who has matched him in his best weight class.

[Steak]

p4p is too subjective to me if you do it via skill and physical abilities...so I just go for who has accomplished the most.
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[Technical_Skill]

Since skill doesn't dictate everything, I think Hatton could be right around anyone's 9 or 10 slot in a pound for pound list.

To answer your question, if all of these guys were the same size, I could see Hatton stylistically beating guys like JM Marquez, Zab Judah, and Wladimir Klitschko. Klitschko is obviously skilled, but he's also (partially) a product of his disgusting advantages in sheer size and length. If he were smaller I can't say that he'd be capable of fighting like he does. Judah has shown that he has trouble with his focus down the stretch of fights. He'd have problems with a tough guy like Hatton who would mug him and would be able to take some of the initial punishment Zab had to dish out. Marquez likes to counter, likes to box from the outside. Hatton doesn't like to give his opponents room has a pretty solid work rate. That'd be a good fight as I could see both guys hitting each other a lot.

Anywho, I'm not even saying he's among the top 5/6/7 fighters in the sport, but he has accomplished a good deal and he's undefeated with no single fighter who has matched him in his best weight class.

I could have also added Winky Wright and Bernard hopkins to that list also,

Skill for skill i dont see how you think hatton takes Marquez, marquez is technically on another level to hatton, can box and ****, hits hard, so p4p i lean towards marquez.

Judah vs Hatton p4p is judah all the way, hatton admits himself he doesnt like fighting southpaws, and if a fighter like collzao can give him trouble stylistically, judah would give him hell, he is faster, more powerful and more skilled.

Anways i respect your opinion, im not saying hatton is a bum, but he isnt one of the 10 best fighters in the world.

And to answer a comment made above, its not my view on pound for pound, it is the correct view on pound for pound, but its meaning has been twisted to include factor like moving up in weight etc.

The nature of the term itself, 'pound for pound' refers to an evening up of the attributes affected by weight, in essence by disregarding them.

p4p is too subjective to me if you do it via skill and physical abilities...so I just go for who has accomplished the most.

So DLH is in your top 10 P4P? He is one of the most accomplished fighters today. How about Roy Jones? He's another current fighter who has accomplished a lot...