Calzaghe: Taylor running scared

[Technical_Skill]

What would you say basic technical boxing skills are?

A good jab, good defense, firm offense and an arsenal of many, many punches.

Calzaghe fits the description IMO.

Okay, when i mean basics i mean, good straight punches, you know i think JC's shots are a bit wide. Kessler's straight right is one to avoid lol, its real quick.

Good defense?? Hmmm, im not convinced, he has the abilty to slip punches then throw back combinations, so yes in a way he has good defense, but there is question mark with me concerning his actual blocking and how low he holds his hands.

Reflexes go fast, i dont think its wise to rely on them, its better to be good a blocking as opposed to slipping, relying on reflex actions are too unreliable.

Kessler seems very textbook, compact, jab, straight right, thats what i mean, Textbook boxer,

Whereas Calzaghe (cos he is trained by his dad imo) is unorthodox,

Now im not sure ive explained that correctly. So your gonna have to correct me im sure.

Very good question though.

[EliteSoldier]

Calzaghe hater, don't bring up the fact that Calzaghe throws more punches then Kessler and he's the old dog now isn't he?

[Technical_Skill]

Calzaghe hater, don't bring up the fact that Calzaghe throws more punches then Kessler and he's the old dog now isn't he?

Ermm mate, listen i live in the UK Calzaghe is a big thing over here, i dont hate him, what i am doing is being critical of ways in which he can improve,

I dont think i have ever denied he is the best at 168.

[Shanus]

Okay, when i mean basics i mean, good straight punches, you know i think JC's shots are a bit wide. Kessler's straight right is one to avoid lol, its real quick.

Good defense?? Hmmm, im not convinced, he has the abilty to slip punches then throw back combinations, so yes in a way he has good defense, but there is question mark with me concerning his actual blocking and how low he holds his hands.

Reflexes go fast, i dont think its wise to rely on them, its better to be good a blocking as opposed to slipping, relying on reflex actions are too unreliable.

Kessler seems very textbook, compact, jab, straight right, thats what i mean, Textbook boxer,

Whereas Calzaghe (cos he is trained by his dad imo) is unorthodox,

Now im not sure ive explained that correctly. So your gonna have to correct me im sure.

Very good question though.

There's a difference between being a textbook boxer and having the fundamentals of a "technically" good boxer.

Calzaghe's hooks are wide, but they're fast and hit the target more often than not, he possesses quick hands which he throws flurries with, he doesn't throw one two's because those require power to be effective, and we all know why he can't throw power shots.

Calzaghe DOES rely on his reactions alot, but in a different way to the likes of most stereotypical fighters that actually RELY on it, he doesn't duck and dive shots or shoulder roll, he slips basic punches (not combinations, ala Whittaker/Mayweather) and is either too far away or too close to hit.

He drops his hands in order to counter you, which he does great IMO.

Basically, when Calzaghe's reactions slow down as he gets older, he won't be affected as much as a Whittaker or Roy Jones, because he has the ability to fight on the inside, as well as mixing it up on the outside, and when he's in a jabbing mood, his gloves are always tight to his face.

But basic technical ability, or "Technical Skill" as you like to call it, I'd say he definately has it.

[Technical_Skill]

There's a difference between being a textbook boxer and having the fundamentals of a "technically" good boxer.

Calzaghe's hooks are wide, but they're fast and hit the target more often than not, he possesses quick hands which he throws flurries with, he doesn't throw one two's because those require power to be effective, and we all know why he can't throw power shots.

Calzaghe DOES rely on his reactions alot, but in a different way to the likes of most stereotypical fighters that actually RELY on it, he doesn't duck and dive shots or shoulder roll, he slips basic punches (not combinations, ala Whittaker/Mayweather) and is either too far away or too close to hit.

He drops his hands in order to counter you, which he does great IMO.

Basically, when Calzaghe's reactions slow down as he gets older, he won't be affected as much as a Whittaker or Roy Jones, because he has the ability to fight on the inside, as well as mixing it up on the outside, and when he's in a jabbing mood, his gloves are always tight to his face.

But basic technical ability, or "Technical Skill" as you like to call it, I'd say he definately has it.

Calzaghe has technical Skills of course, i do wonder about how vunerable his unorthodoxy makes him though, especially with his hands,

Acutally i saw bits of the eubank fight

(Courtesy of Frank Warren's best of Boxing DVD, which my best mate bought, if you want a cheap laugh, buy it please, hillarious)

and noticed he was good in that fight, good jab, bit more measured etc, maybe its the hands,

I would like to see him work with another trainer, id like to see him pick his shots a little bit better and save energy by doing so, id like to see him use his hands high a little bit more also, he does get hit with silly shots.

This doesnt mean he isnt class, its nit picking, after the DLH fight i pointed out several flaws in Floyd Mayweather's blocking, but people convienantly dodged that thread, lol, so im not hating.

I do think Kessler's orthodoxy could help him against JC, if he can jab calzaghe coming in, and making it a chess match at a moderate pace, he has a chance,

If Kessler doesnt sort out his footwork and thinks he can step to the side every now and again he will be made to look very bad imo.

Just considering the options.

[Kayjay's Ghost]

Good stuff, Technical Skills.

I agree with most of what you say. I will add though that it's not necessarily the case that Calzaghe's hooks are wide. He holds his arms/elbows out and throw punches from angles that are not 'hooks' in the traditional sense; they're not slow like a wide hook inevitably is, because his fists don't typically have farther to travel. He's a unique case, there's no one quite like him (which of course isn't to say there haven't been plenty of better fighters)

[Shanus]

Calzaghe has technical Skills of course, i do wonder about how vunerable his unorthodoxy makes him though, especially with his hands,

Acutally i saw bits of the eubank fight

(Courtesy of Frank Warren's best of Boxing DVD, which my best mate bought, if you want a cheap laugh, buy it please, hillarious)

and noticed he was good in that fight, good jab, bit more measured etc, maybe its the hands,

I would like to see him work with another trainer, id like to see him pick his shots a little bit better and save energy by doing so, id like to see him use his hands high a little bit more also, he does get hit with silly shots.

This doesnt mean he isnt class, its nit picking, after the DLH fight i pointed out several flaws in Floyd Mayweather's blocking, but people convienantly dodged that thread, lol, so im not hating.

I do think Kessler's orthodoxy could help him against JC, if he can jab calzaghe coming in, and making it a chess match at a moderate pace, he has a chance,

If Kessler doesnt sort out his footwork and thinks he can step to the side every now and again he will be made to look very bad imo.

Just considering the options.

I think he gets too big for his own boots sometimes, especially in the Bika fight, I felt embarrassed for him.

I'm a firm believer that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, I don't think he can ever change from what he already is, but I don't think he needs to either, I think fighters like Kessler and Taylor are hand made for him.. they only possess a two punch arsenal, maybe 3 in Taylor's case, Kessler is the bigger (literally) threat, and he does have a chance, but he'd need a damn good gameplan if he has hopes of outpointing, let alone knocking Calzaghe out.

As far as styles go, Calzaghe is superior to the pair of them, he is the better "boxer" as far as hitting and not getting hit is concerned, even though he does get caught with silly shots, but he lacks power and sometimes he forgets to box and fights. Ala Bika, which was a terrible performance, if he did that with Kessler I can see him getting put down, but I think taking the fight to Jermain Taylor would be a perfect gameplan.

Anyway, this post has gone off course, I can't even remember what we were originally discussing, lol.

[GattiFan]

Wait......

Did the guy that just slap boxed PETER F'ING MANFREDO to death

just say something about another fighter taking on easy opponents?

Nice.

So..Um...Zags....

How many future hall of famers are on the old resume' nowaways anyway?

[Easy-E]

Taylor IS an idiot, isn't he?

Glad to see you agree.



Are you ****ing serious? Nobody in boxing right now can give him more cash than Calzaghe, but that won't stop him from fighting everybody BUT Calzaghe, will it?

Taylor got 6 mil for fighting Winky and Joe is offering him 4 mil to come to the UK and fight?
WHat a joke. Get your facts straight, DiBella and Taylor said they would except the offer if they got the same amount they reciever for the Winky fight, and Warren hasnt offered ****.

And what is this bull**** about Joe trying to insult Taylor for fighting smaller guys when Joe C is calling out Taylor who is a weight class below him.
And I dont even need to mention Manfredo here.
Hypocrite.

[Shanus]

Taylor got 6 mil for fighting Winky and Joe is offering him 4 mil to come to the UK and fight?
WHat a joke. Get your facts straight, DiBella and Taylor said they would except the offer if they got the same amount they reciever for the Winky fight, and Warren hasnt offered ****.

And what is this bull**** about Joe trying to insult Taylor for fighting smaller guys when Joe C is calling out Taylor who is a weight class below him.
And I dont even need to mention Manfredo here.
Hypocrite.

Spinks is a natural light welter/welterweight, not LMW, you don't see Calzaghe calling out Jr Middleweights, Manfredo is a natural 160, so was Bika.

So before you start pointing the finger, think rationally before hand.