No Excuses

[TheEvilSaint]

miranda was not dehydrated, he wasnt "out of it", and weight was not the issue. it was psychological.

as soon as the fight started, pavlik backed up miranda and miranda didnt expect it. he thought he was gonna be the aggressor and just bull over pavlik. when kelly pressured him, he lost his gameplan, he lost his cool, he didnt have a plan "B", and he had no choice but to fight going backwards and off the ropes. pantera didnt expect to take so much damage, he didnt count on pavlik being so aggressive.

just like teddy atlas said about tyson: "when he hit them and they didnt fall, when he stared at them and they stared back, he came up empty."

[-Antonio-]

When he landed about three hard rights in a row and Pavlik kept coming, I knew it was over.

[shawn_]

I dont think a comparison to tyson is fair. I think Miranda is a much better person than Tyson, and I think Miranda truely has heart. It took alot of courage to get up from those two knockdowns and come out for more.

Pavlik was simply they better fighter. I he took Miranda out of his game plan, and made him fight off of his back foot. You have to give Kelly Pavlik credit for what he did. I didnt think he would be able to do it, but he did.

Its not because Miranda was dehydrate or anything like that, he simply got out fought.

[demirturk]

When he landed about three hard rights in a row and Pavlik kept coming, I knew it was over.

what if he landed 4 or 5 , man i'm telling you miranda was different last night.

[Kobe Bryant]

I agree no excuses he got his ass whooped. That was one of those you touched my sister's ass beatdowns.

[Jimmy The Gent]

He did land 4 at the end of the 5th round and Pavlik took them well

[Steelhammer86]

Difference between a fan and a nuthugger:

Nuthugger says "Miranda was dehydrated, that's why he lost"

Fan says: "Miranda lost because Pavlik was the better fighter, but Pantera showed a lot of heart and if he improves his defensive skills he has a chance of winning a rematch"

[EliteSoldier]

Pavlik ****d him :bukkake:

[shawn_]

Well put JD

[dog1dog2]

what if he landed 4 or 5 , man i'm telling you miranda was different last night.

What if he landed 25 or 30 in a row? "What ifs" are best served for wacky cross-era discussions that can't happen, not as a way to imagine how someone who got beat would've won. I mean, what ifs have no end.....what if both of these guys were heavyweights, and Miranda weighed 400 lbs. ripped and Pavlik weighed 250? Miranda got smoked by a better fighter...how about asking yourself; What if he was a better fighter?

He's tough, but he got waxed by someone better...period.