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  • Technical_Skill
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    Mayweather De La Hoya Analysis

    Right, ive just watched the fight.

    First of all i thought this was a good tactical fight, it didnt justify the hype, few fights of this magnitude do, but i wanted to raise some points about the fight that people have touched on.

    De La Hoya should not retire, he fought a good fight tactically, feinting inside and firing the right hand, tonight was the first time i saw a real weakness in floyd, its one he can repair with ease but nevertheless it's a flaw.

    Last night we saw if you force mayweather on the back foot, he leans back leaving his rib cage area wide open, now normally in the past he will move the elbow down to block that shot, he wasnt doing that against de la hoya.
    Mayweather is also susceptible to a quick jab, also he did dodge, slip and block more than his fair share.

    Im not a fan floyd turning sideways towards fighters either, i think it limits his oppertunities in terms of what shots to fire, timing is key to beating this guy, if you can catch him coming in or back him up when turns sideways, he doesnt always have the leverage to hit you back, in other words, de la hoya was smart, you gotta keep floyd off balance.

    Now, the ironic thing is, i think there are individual fighters who each have a piece to the puzzle, i dont see a fighter with all the peices. Mayweather is beatable, but there is no one out there with the equipment to beat him at the moment in time, While de la hoya has like a tight defense, mosley doesn't, infact i think Mayweather might possibly have it easier style wise with a guy like mosley who will give him alot more oppertunities to hit him.

    De la hoya fought well, and mayweather was clearly average in this fight compared to how i have seen him, here's why.

    I think Mayweather fought with his heart, infact im gonna go on record as to say, im not totally sure his peak is at the begginning of the end, now he is 30,not young or old, but he is moving up weights very quickly, and i wonder how much this has had an effect on him.

    To me he did his best to give the people a show, and the reason he won the fight in my eyes was because he didnt run, if he had run, he would have lost, his jabs and right hand were being picked off earlier on by De La hoya, who found it easy to close range (maybe the ring size perhaps) and throws shots. now most of these shots didnt land but they were scoring shots, mayweather had to close distance, otherwise he wouldnt have got the decision.

    Here's whats great about Mayweather, he always finds a way to win, now, if you watch the fight i think he fights within himself, i think he fights cautious, mayweather is a 12 round fighter, and he deliberately took oscar into the later rounds and hurt him, Mayweather would let de la hoya waste punches on his arms (some of them hit the body)and down the strech it told.

    Ironically as soon as mayweather threw combos, oscar was lost, mayweather engaged with him quite a bit , im not sure if oscar was well prepared enough for mayweather in the pocket, maweather definately led him into a false sense of security, an example was the 5th, mayweather let him come in, then hit him on the counter with a savage right hand, de la hoya was hurt bad and nearly went down,

    so i think mayweather was playing possum slightly, getting de la hoya to miss and fire shots, then hurt him down the strech.

    And those last 4 rounds mayweather dished out some punishment, oscar had no answer for a left to the body in the 11th which hurt him real bad, and he almost went down in the 12th, de la hoya was good at blocking single shots, but when mayweather threw combinations off that right hand lead, de la hoya didnt wanna know.

    In my opinion, they both defended well, de la hoya in particular, floyd was lazy at times, allowing himself to get hit to the body multiple times in clinches,

    thing is, you cant give rounds to someone missing and getting countered, not that mayweather was landing everything, but he landed enough imo,

    this was similar to the marquez barrera fight, a close fight, but with a decisive winner.

    I had it 117-111 Mayweather.

    Unless you give every single close round to DLH for the sake of it, there is no way i can see 115-113, and that judge should be investigated.

    Close fight, mayweather was too lazy for me at times compared to how brillinat we know he can be, fought with too much emotion, and was too macho, think 154 might be a little too far for him, but im not sure on that yet.

    De la hoya fought as well as he good, he should fight someone else, floyd wasnt all that and still won deciviely, so in a rematch i would pick floyd to try and stop him. The question is, should floyd quit?

    For his legacy, no, because on legacy he isnt top 10/20 of all time, in terms of skills i belive he would be in most people's all time 10. If he comes back, he should go back to 147 and stay there, i still think he beats anyone in that class. But there are areas where he is vunerable in my opinion
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    Giving this one more chance, lol,

    Who wants to play?

    lol.

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      I would say that's a fairly reasonable account of the fight. I don't remember Oscar almost being dropped at any point in the fight. You say Floyd was lazy at times, but I don't think you're giving Oscar enough credit. Floyd looked better against other opposition because that opposition was not as good as Oscar. I think Oscar was gassed late in the fight, as always, and that made things easier for Floyd to take the later rounds, because Oscar just wasn't throwing punches. He was tired and flat footed. That said, Floyd was fighting a much bigger man and was able to nullify the vast majority of Oscar's offense. I scored it 115-113.

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        Originally posted by Red_Menace
        I would say that's a fairly reasonable account of the fight. I don't remember Oscar almost being dropped at any point in the fight. You say Floyd was lazy at times, but I don't think you're giving Oscar enough credit. Floyd looked better against other opposition because that opposition was not as good as Oscar. I think Oscar was gassed late in the fight, as always, and that made things easier for Floyd to take the later rounds, because Oscar just wasn't throwing punches. He was tired and flat footed. That said, Floyd was fighting a much bigger man and was able to nullify the vast majority of Oscar's offense. I scored it 115-113.
        I think it was how i saw it, it comes down to scoring, run w/knifes hit it right on the head,

        you cant give rounds to a guy throwing more, but landing less,

        it makes no sense,


        I cant see how anyone got 115-113 in this fight.

        Floyd defence to the body is lasiest ive seen from him yet, he wasnt on form last night,

        And i mention de la hoya's tactics were spot on.

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          Originally posted by Technical_Skill
          I think it was how i saw it, it comes down to scoring, run w/knifes hit it right on the head,

          you cant round for a guy throwing more, but landing less it makes no sense,


          I cant see how anyone got 115-113 in this fight.

          Floyd defence to the body is lasiest ive seen from him yet, he wasnt on form last night,

          And i mention de la hoya's tactics were spot on.
          I think Oscar was able to get through occassionally because he has fast hands and threw combinations. Judah is a little faster, but he was throwing one shot at a time. With Oscar, Floyd couldn't roll or move his guard quick enough to stop everything.

          As for throwing more and landing less, I think it was back and forth for the first 8 rounds. Both guys threw a lot of shots that were blocked, and whomever was most active landed the most or best shots in the round. It was only over rounds 9 - 11 that Floyd started to outland him consistently, but it was still a tight fight.

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            I thought Floyd's defense was spot on?

            Oscar landed punches in single digits in more rounds than he did double digits. That should say something about Floyd's defense, no?

            In fact, I forget which round it was in, but Oscar had Floyd against the ropes and threw a flurry, and Floyd shoulder rolled almost all of those punches. It reminded me of that Phillip N'dou flurry against Floyd in their fight. A definite highlight reel for Floyd showcasing his defense.

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              Originally posted by deliveryman
              I thought Floyd's defense was spot on?

              Oscar landed punches in single digits in more rounds than he did double digits. That should say something about Floyd's defense, no?

              In fact, I forget which round it was in, but Oscar had Floyd against the ropes and threw a flurry, and Floyd shoulder rolled almost all of those punches. It reminded me of that Phillip N'dou flurry against Floyd in their fight. A definite highlight reel for Floyd showcasing his defense.
              His defense was definitely fantastic. Both guys showed great defense. Floyd was handling a big guy with fast hands. Nothing to be ashamed of there. Oscar landed the odd clean shot, and some grazing blows, but for the most part his flurries were ineffective.

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              • Technical_Skill
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                Originally posted by deliveryman
                I thought Floyd's defense was spot on?

                Oscar landed punches in single digits in more rounds than he did double digits. That should say something about Floyd's defense, no?
                Floyd's defence was on point at certain times, yes that flurry he blocked was awesome,

                Rewatch the fight, especially the early rounds , he gets caught continously with hooks to the body in clinches, de la hoya must have hit him 5 or 6 times in a row and floyd didnt even bothered to block the shots,

                He was definately uncomfortable when on the back foot, de la hoya would fient and then throw the right hand backing floyd up and allowing de la hoya to throw combos,

                He has to work on that, and also the standing sideways towards fighters, i dont like it if he gets swarmed in that position he will find himself unbalanced and may get caught.

                He left himself open several times when jabbing to the body, leaning in and losing balance,

                Its ok now when his reflexes are still good, but you watch out for that if he comes back.
                Last edited by Technical_Skill; 05-06-2007, 03:45 PM.

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