Good Strategy against Floyd or not?

[JAHamilton77]

I was just thinking tonight of what might be a good strategy to use against Floyd Mayweather, or any of the guys who drop that lead arm and use the shoulder role technique to block punches (I was thinking because Vernon Paris was using it in his fight).

My idea and it is especially applies to guys fighting Floyd since he will most likely decision you anyways if it goes the distance, so giving away rounds woulndt be an issue. The strategy is early on to just totally sell out and beat the **** out of that lead arm and shoulder. I dont mean, not worrying about hitting the shoulder in your attempts to land shots, I mean throwing a good portion of your shots at that lead arm and shoulder. To the point where its useless later in the fight.

Ricky Hatton mentioned in an interview once, that when he hits a guy on the arms he is often aiming with intent just where he hits them, that its not just flack he is throwing out there.

Cotto recently against Branco, made him submit and partially because he busted the man's arms all up.

Not saying Oscar would make him submit or it would win him the fight, just wondering if anyone felt this could be an effective strategy.

[deliveryman]

The problem is, Floyd has more than one type of defense.

His defense is very versatile.

Even if Oscar was able to hurt Floyd badly enough to the arms (which I doubt), Floyd could switch it up to a high-gaurd like he did with Judah, or he can use his amazing footwork, and jump backwards to evade Oscar's punches. Or he could use his fantastic upperbody movement and slip punches Pernell Whitaker style.

Floyd just doesn't use the shoulder roll.

Like I said, Floyd has far too many options at his disposal to lose this fight.

[phallus]

I was just thinking tonight of what might be a good strategy to use against Floyd Mayweather, or any of the guys who drop that lead arm and use the shoulder role technique to block punches (I was thinking because Vernon Paris was using it in his fight).

My idea and it is especially applies to guys fighting Floyd since he will most likely decision you anyways if it goes the distance, so giving away rounds woulndt be an issue. The strategy is early on to just totally sell out and beat the **** out of that lead arm and shoulder. I dont mean, not worrying about hitting the shoulder in your attempts to land shots, I mean throwing a good portion of your shots at that lead arm and shoulder. To the point where its useless later in the fight.

Ricky Hatton mentioned in an interview once, that when he hits a guy on the arms he is often aiming with intent just where he hits them, that its not just flack he is throwing out there.

Cotto recently against Branco, made him submit and partially because he busted the man's arms all up.

Not saying Oscar would make him submit or it would win him the fight, just wondering if anyone felt this could be an effective strategy.

i think it could be effective for oscar, he'll run out of gas by about the sixth round. beating the arms and everything he can hit early would be a good way to try and soften floyd up. i'm wondering now if dlh shouldn't try to bumrush floyd early, it'll be the last thing he's expecting. dlh should pour on the gas early, maybe win the early rounds and make it a close fight if he can't stop floyd

[shawn_]

Floyds defense is way way way over hyped. He is slick, he is good, he is fast, but he should not ever be mentioned in the same breath as Pernell Whitaker. The shoulder roll defense he likes to use is good for warding off single punches, but when you are trapped on the ropes against sombody who knows how to flurry, it is not going to work.

Just ask Floyd Sr how it worked against SRL. It didnt. The only way you can use the sholder roll of the ropes is if you keep your opponent from throwing flurrys by firing back short crisp punches (see James Toney). Floyd isnt nearly a good enough in fighter to do what Toney does, so he is going to have to use his feet to stay out of range.

[shawn_]

My strategy for DLH wouldnt be to be the agressor, but instead fight backing up so that he can be the counter puncher. Floyd has the speed, but timing beats speed every time. If Oscar can put him self in a position where he can use timing (like backing up and counterpunching) he can catch Floyd. He doesnt even have to knock him out, if he even hurts Floyd its game over. Once Oscar gets a taste of your blood the fight is over. He is one of the all time great finishers.

He uses his power to get you in trouble, then he comes after you and pitty pats until the ref steps in and stops it because it looks so bad.

So in summary, Oscar needs to fight backing up. He needs to make Floyd fall in with his punches so he can time his left hook over the top. Once he gets it in, he can come foreward and get Floyd against the ropes to finish him.

[pbftxrs316]

Floyds defense is way way way over hyped. He is slick, he is good, he is fast, but he should not ever be mentioned in the same breath as Pernell Whitaker. The shoulder roll defense he likes to use is good for warding off single punches, but when you are trapped on the ropes against sombody who knows how to flurry, it is not going to work.

Just ask Floyd Sr how it worked against SRL. It didnt. The only way you can use the sholder roll of the ropes is if you keep your opponent from throwing flurrys by firing back short crisp punches (see James Toney). Floyd isnt nearly a good enough in fighter to do what Toney does, so he is going to have to use his feet to stay out of range.

what are you are on? floyd has magnificent defense. wake up man. have you watched floyd actually fight? because comapring his father's defense to srl to his is not proving anything logical about floyd jr. the shoulder is very effecitve against flurries when timed right. just watch floyd jr vs philip n'dou in the 5th round, and how floyd was blocking his punches with the shoulder roll.

[Technical_Skill]

I was just thinking tonight of what might be a good strategy to use against Floyd Mayweather, or any of the guys who drop that lead arm and use the shoulder role technique to block punches (I was thinking because Vernon Paris was using it in his fight).

My idea and it is especially applies to guys fighting Floyd since he will most likely decision you anyways if it goes the distance, so giving away rounds woulndt be an issue. The strategy is early on to just totally sell out and beat the **** out of that lead arm and shoulder. I dont mean, not worrying about hitting the shoulder in your attempts to land shots, I mean throwing a good portion of your shots at that lead arm and shoulder. To the point where its useless later in the fight.

Ricky Hatton mentioned in an interview once, that when he hits a guy on the arms he is often aiming with intent just where he hits them, that its not just flack he is throwing out there.

Cotto recently against Branco, made him submit and partially because he busted the man's arms all up.

Not saying Oscar would make him submit or it would win him the fight, just wondering if anyone felt this could be an effective strategy.

If you could land on his arms yep that would be effective,Gatti said he was gonna do the same thing though, and floyd would just switch styles if it bothered him, also he pivots with shell, turn into and away from the punch depending on the angles of the shot.

But yeah i think it should be a tactic of someone looking to beat him, things is, 'selling out' to get inside would just get you knocked out, Ricky hatton couldnt get anywhere near Floyds body, he walks up to guys in a straight line, he would he brutally countered all night long.

IMO, they way to beat Floyd is to get a round on him, run, and force him in and hope he makes mistakes, a'la Cory Spinks.

[The Troll]

I dont really think De La Hoya is that kind of fighter but I've always felt that's basically the way to fight Mayweather, just nonstop agression hitting him just wherever you can and getting rough with him especially if your the bigger man.

[The Troll]

De La Hoya could definitely do some damage if he would consistantly let his hands go in some fluries if he could get Mayweather against the ropes or standing still. You just wonder how many rounds he'd have energy to fight that kind of a fight. If even for 6 rounds it would be worth it.

[Left2body]

My strategy for DLH wouldnt be to be the agressor, but instead fight backing up so that he can be the counter puncher. Floyd has the speed, but timing beats speed every time. If Oscar can put him self in a position where he can use timing (like backing up and counterpunching) he can catch Floyd. He doesnt even have to knock him out, if he even hurts Floyd its game over. Once Oscar gets a taste of your blood the fight is over. He is one of the all time great finishers.

He uses his power to get you in trouble, then he comes after you and pitty pats until the ref steps in and stops it because it looks so bad.

So in summary, Oscar needs to fight backing up. He needs to make Floyd fall in with his punches so he can time his left hook over the top. Once he gets it in, he can come foreward and get Floyd against the ropes to finish him.

I dont think DLH can try and counter PBF for the following reasons. Firstly DLH is much slower and secondly PBF has shown that in the upper weights he doesn't take the risk of flurrying or throwing combinations. PBF will lead right you and jab to stomach all day and be happy as long as he doens't get touched.

I would say that DLH has to press the action and try and get PBF out of his comfort zone. Try and get PBF against the ropes and force him to fight off them. In those types of close exchanges with both fighters letting there hands fly DLH has a much better chance of landing a meaningful shot than by trying to out-box and counter punch PBF.