Floyd vs Oscar Equals Floyd vs Castillo 2

[DLT]

This "2 part" story is long but its a must read!!!!!!! 1st off let me say that Im pissed as hell because I wrote this long thread yesterday and when I went to send it, the screen went to error and it erased everything I wrote. I usually copy it before I write it but the one time I dont, it screws up. Now I have to rewrite this long **** and try to remember what I wrote and you know it wont be nearly as good. Anyways, here was my point.
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I didnt see part 2 of "Floyd-Oscar 24/7" but it sounds like you guys are saying that Oscar spent alot of time holding and hitting in the clinch. To me this is a huge thing. Most people dont remember at all so you should go back and rewatch Floyd-Castillo 2. In that fight I guarantee you that Castillo didnt land 10 clean punches the whole fight that wasnt in the clinch. Not 10 in a 12 round fight. The only time he could hit Floyd is when he held and hit. If he wasnt allowed to do that then he wouldnt have come close to winning any round at all.

Fast forward to RJ vs John Ruiz. I dont remember who was the ref in that Floyd-Castillo 2 fight but I know Jay Nady was the ref in the RJ fight. It sticks in my head because Nady reffed that fight totally different. Nady didnt allow Ruiz to hit in the clinch at all. Thats a huge problem for me. Not the fact that Nady didnt allow it but the fact that 2 refs are allowed to do 2 totally different things. There should be one set rule. How can one ref allow holding & punching while another doesnt? Thats why you need a commission. People dont even understand how huge of a deal this is. It can completely change a fight. I gurantee you that if Nady had reffed that Floyd-Castillo 2 fight then Jose wouldve easily lost every single round because Nady wouldnt have allowed him to do that and wouldve broke him up quickly. I also guarantee you that if the guy who reffed the Castillo fight wouldve reffed the RJ fight then Ruiz wouldve won.

People clowned Ruiz after that fight because he got whooped, wouldnt give Roy any credit, and kept saying that the ref wouldnt allow him to fight his fight. People are so ****** that they dont even realize he was right. Nady completely took him out that fight. Nady instanly broke them up everytime they got in the clinch. Therefore it basically forced Ruiz to try to outbox Roy and there was no way he was going to do that. How can he have any chance? I even remember one great writer killing Ruiz after that fight. Then 2 months later he rewatched it and saw what Ruiz was talking about. He had no chance that way. Dont get me wrong though, Im not saying Nady was wrong. Id rather have a ref do that then allow you to hold and punch like the ref did in the Castillo fight.

[DLT]

PART 2

My guess is that Oscar & Roach saw that and thats what they want to do. Bayless is the ref for this fight. I dont remember how Bayless handles those situations but if he's the ref for this fight then I gurantee you that he allows guys to hold & hit. He may have even been the ref in that Castillo fight. We all know that Oscar has set all the terms for this fight and if you think he had no part in picking the ref then your crazy. Basically, if the ref allows that then Floyd is in serious trouble. Im the biggest Floyd fan there is. P4P Floyd is easily the better fighter and at 147 he would kill Oscar but 154 has me seriously worried. Floyd is the smallest guy in boxing when you look at his body structure. He can still make 135 right now and should be at 140. There is no way he should be fighting at 154, let alone against an elite guy like Oscar who wants this fight bad. In that Castillo fight you could see that Floyd was not big or strong enough to get out of those clinches. If they let Oscar do that then Im guessing Floyd still wont be able to get away.

Dont get me wrong, Im not talking about "in fighting". I love in fighting and toe to toe stuff. Im talking strictly about holding & hitting and waiting a long time to break you when that happeneds. I love to see stuff like Castillo-Chico when they were all on eachother because even though they were that close, they never held. I dont want the ref to break that. Even Floyd likes to fight in the pocket. Im talking stritcly about guys holding with 1 arm and hitting with the other. To me thats a punk way to win. Everyone will still give Oscar all the credit but I think that is a punk move and it shouldnt even count as a win. I bet that Bayless allows it to go on a long time before he breaks. Again, if you dont know what Im talking about then go back and rewatch Floyd-Castillo 2 and rewatch RJ vs Ruiz. Watch how each of those refs handle the clinches. Watch how the Castillo ref allows him to hold & hit and thats the only time he hits Floyd all fight. Then watch how Nady breaks up RJ-Ruiz instantly. Dont try to remember those fights because you wont exactly. Go back and rewatch them if you have them

[Slotff]

This is all based off the fact that you heard from someone who might have seen a few minutes of footage of Oscar hitting and holding? All based off someone who saw something that has an asumption?

Dosn't work for me.


And as much as I like Castillo, he is one of my favourites, he will never be Oscar de la Hoya.

[Hydro]

I dont remember how Bayless handles those situations but if he's the ref for this fight then I gurantee you that he allows guys to hold & hit. He may have even been the ref in that Castillo fight.

Joe Cortez.

If a guy holds and hits, then the ref should discipline him. If a guy IS held and then hits, then it's fine.

I generally don't knock guys from bending the rules to win, most guys bend the rules here and there to win, as long as it isn't something extreme.

[EliteSoldier]

then the other fighter should stop running around like a *****, if they don't want people to clinch and hit. Their there to fight, not to run around the ring and win a decision like a loser. Floyd would get killed if he ever tried the sport ufc, he would try to run around the whole time.

[Sin City]

Mayweather v De La hoya = De La Hoya v Hopkins (Oscar being in Hopkins position this time)

[pbftxrs316]

then the other fighter should stop running around like a *****, if they don't want people to clinch and hit. Their there to fight, not to run around the ring and win a decision like a loser. Floyd would get killed if he ever tried the sport ufc, he would try to run around the whole time.

this point was silly. so what if floyd runs around, he's breaking no rules, and in fact, he is fighting a smart fight. wake up, he's always said the less you get hit, the longer you last in the sport of boxing, it's no secret. floyd mayweather picks his shots well and he times them a lot, this is why his punch output in many of his rounds are low. he makes sure he hits you when it counts and when the judges are in clear view of them. this is also why he runs around a lot, that, and add to that, that he tries to tire you out also, while maintaining his stamina, so he fights smart, that's all. all of this ufc **** is pointless. this is a boxing forum, keep it at boxing. you want to talk about ufc, go to another forum. until then, stop posting bull**** like you post. it's not like floyd just runs around and not punches, he just does it in a smart way to get him the victory the best way he knows how to get it. and, he doesn't just run either, he does go toe to toe with fighters, like he did with baldomir, where he buckled him in the 6th round. you need to watch all of his fights in depth before you post your arguments like you do. they hold no grounds when they are of false assumptions.

[Super_Lightweight]

At least Nady did allow Ruiz to work on the inside at time and Roy fought back. When Ruiz led with his head, or held Nady seperated them.

Holding and hitting is up to the ref. If one or both guys are holding and hitting and no one is complaining, let them do it.

[-EX-]

then the other fighter should stop running around like a *****, if they don't want people to clinch and hit. Their there to fight, not to run around the ring and win a decision like a loser. Floyd would get killed if he ever tried the sport ufc, he would try to run around the whole time.

Last time I checked winning a decision makes you a winner. I appreciate pure boxers more than straight brawlers. Pure boxers will probably be able to talk correctly and do something in their life after boxing. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. Now look at Tommy Hearns. If you don't like Floyd quit bitching and don't watch him fight. Hop off his ****.

[-EX-]

Mayweather v De La hoya = De La Hoya v Hopkins (Oscar being in Hopkins position this time)

De La Hoya isn't the superior boxer and does not have more skills. You buggin.